For Love & Money

EPISODE OVERVIEW What if the biggest obstacle to creating change in your organisation isn't a lack of resources, effort, or intention — but the questions you're asking? That's the central challenge Hildy Gottlieb has spent 30 years answering, and it cuts right to the heart of what purpose-driven leadership actually requires. Hildy Gottlieb is a futurist, social scientist, and the developer of Cata...

EPISODE OVERVIEW Episode 100 is a milestone celebration — and a role reversal. This time, Carolyn Butler-Madden is in the guest seat, interviewed by purpose champion and trusted colleague Peter ter Weeme. Together they reflect on 100 episodes of For Love & Money: the insights that have surprised, some of the stories that guests have shared, and the ideas that have grown more powerful with ever...

EPISODE OVERVIEW What does it look like when purpose isn't a department, a report, or a communications device — but the operating system of an entire business? Sara King is General Manager of Purpose at Intrepid Travel, one of the world's most recognised purpose-led businesses. She's responsible for delivering Intrepid's environmental, social and governance commitments across a remarkable scope: c...

EPISODE OVERVIEW What does it really take to do your best work as a leader? Cherie Mylordis has spent her career at the leading edge of that question — from the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games to boardrooms across the globe. Her research with 200 leaders revealed a confronting truth: only one in three felt they were doing their best work. And when she dug deeper, even those who said yes were constrained...

EPISODE OVERVIEW Seventy percent. That's the share of Australia's emissions associated with the infrastructure we build and operate — roads, railways, airports, tunnels. And the profession best placed to move that number? Civil engineering. Which also happens to be one of the most conservative industries on the planet. Robin Power is the Chief Executive of Insitutek and the founding Chair of Groun...

Episode Overview What does a performing arts institution have to teach the business world? As it turns out — everything. In this episode, Carolyn speaks with Terri Martin, Head of Corporate at NIDA — the National Institute of Dramatic Art — about why communication is the most underinvested leadership skill in organisations today, and what happens when leaders finally get it right. Terri's journey...

In this International Women’s Day 2026 special, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with negotiation expert Sam Trattles about women in leadership, pay equity, professional development budgets, and the power of self-advocacy. Together they explore how conviction, craft and courage help leaders confidently ask for what they want — without damaging relationships — and why valuing yourself is a leadership r...

The Flexible CEO: Athena Manley on reimagining leadership, life and impact What if the leadership talent businesses need most is hiding in plain sight? In this episode, I’m joined by Athena Manley, founder of The Flexible CEO, to explore a new leadership model connecting underutilised senior leaders with mid-sized organisations — and why reimagining leadership matters for people, performance and s...

Episode Overview What does it look like when a global brand doesn’t just talk about values — but organises around them? In this episode of For Love & Money, I’m joined by Hilary McAllister, Activism Manager at Ben & Jerry’s Australia. Hilary’s path into activism has been anything but linear. Beginning her career in events, she followed a growing concern for climate and environmental justic...

EPISODE OVERVIEW What responsibility does business have in shaping the kind of country we want to be? In this episode of the For Love & Money Podcast, I’m joined by Sarah Sheridan, Co-Founder and Deputy CEO of Clothing The Gaps — a certified Aboriginal business, social enterprise and B Corp that uses fashion as a platform for truth-telling, education and First Nations justice. Sarah shares her...

EPISODE OVERVIEW What does leadership look like when everything is on the line? In this deeply moving episode of For Love & Money, I’m joined by Peter Baines OAM — humanitarian, leadership expert, founder of Hands Across The Water, and author of the powerful new book Together We Can (his fourth book). Peter’s career began in forensic policing, investigating homicides and leading international...

Episode Overview What if the stories we watch could help rebuild the social fabric? In this episode, I’m joined by Elizabeth Tyler — co-founder and CEO of good.film, a platform using film and television as a catalyst for connection, empathy and real conversation. With declining social cohesion, rising loneliness and increasing polarisation across Western democracies, Elizabeth believes film offers...

Episode Overview What does it mean to redefine wealth — not as accumulation, but as enoughness? And what happens when you build a life and a career around community, purpose and shared humanity instead of individual achievement? In this profound and compelling conversation, I speak with Sandy Blackburn, one of Australia’s leading voices in social impact and the founder of Social Outcomes and Impac...

What does kindness look like in business — and why does it matter for commercial success? In this episode, I’m joined by Dr David Cooke—Executive Director of ESG Advisory, Adjunct Professor at UTS Business School, and author of Kind Business: How Values Create Value. In this deeply human conversation, David shares his journey from a traditional corporate career to leading Konica Minolta Australia...

In this insightful and forward-looking conversation, Shirley Chowdhary joins Carolyn Butler-Madden to explore what modern governance and leadership look like in an age defined by rapid change, technology and social transformation. A seasoned board director, Chair and former CEO, Shirley shares her belief that good governance underpins everything— from commercial outcomes and productivity to cultur...

In this powerful episode of the For Love & Money Podcast, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with Peter ter Weeme, a lifelong activist and global leader in values-based business. Peter’s career has spanned corporate, government and nonprofit sectors across North America, Europe, Asia and Australia. From his early awareness of apartheid in the 1980s to his leadership in the social purpose movement, P...

In this episode of For Love & Money, I speak with Jeremy Meltzer, Founder and CEO of i=Change, Australia’s fastest growing impact marketing platform. Jeremy has built partnerships with over 400 brands – from Camilla and Clarins to law firms and hospitality businesses – raising more than $12 million for NGOs and impacting the lives of over 2 million people globally. At the heart of i=Change is...

In this episode of The For Love & Money Podcast, I speak with Abigail Forsyth OAM, co-founder and Managing Director of KeepCup—the company that kickstarted a global revolution in reusable coffee cups and helped change the way we think about single-use packaging. From her early days as a lawyer to co-founding a bustling Melbourne café chain with her brother Jamie, Abigail shares how a growing d...

Episode Summary What does it take to turn outrage and opposition into legitimacy and consent? In this episode, we explore that question with one of the world’s leading authorities on social licence and legitimacy. My guest, Katherine Teh, is the founder of a pioneering social purpose company that’s rewriting the rules of mining—transforming the industry’s most polarised conflicts into powerful opp...

Episode Summary In Part 2 of this two-part feature on Woollahra Council’s transformation, Carolyn speaks with Craig Swift-McNair, the Council’s General Manager. Craig offers a refreshingly candid account of what it takes to embed purpose and values across a whole organisation. He reflects on the early culture challenges, the creation of a new leadership structure, and how trust, honesty and consis...

Episode Summary: In this episode of the For Love and Money podcast, In this episode, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with Patricia Occelli, Director of Community and Customer Experience at Woollahra Council. Patricia shares the story of how doing the work to create a unifying purpose transformed the Council’s vision, culture, and strategic direction. What began as a challenge to create a meaningful c...

Episode Summary In this powerful and deeply thoughtful episode, political economist and changemaker Katherine Trebeck joins Carolyn to explore what it means to build an economy that works for people and planet. Katherine shares her journey from working with Oxfam and Rio Tinto to co-founding the Wellbeing Economy Alliance (WEAll), and how her work is reshaping the way we define economic success. T...

Episode Summary In this inspiring episode of the For Love & Money Podcast, Carolyn Butler-Madden speaks with David Ferreira, Head of Marketing at wholesale bakery Bob & Pete’s, about their transformative journey toward becoming a purpose-led business. What started with one passionate junior marketer asking the tough questions—“What are we doing for our community and our planet?”—has evolve...

Episode Summary: Welcome to the For Love and Money podcast, where Carolyn Butler-Madden explores the intersection of business and social purpose. In this episode, Carolyn sits down with Hunter Leonard—business owner, author, speaker, and advocate for ending ageism. As the CEO of Blue Frog Marketing, Hunter has helped over 500 businesses drive strategic growth. He also pioneered solutions for matur...

Episode Summary:  In this episode of For Love & Money, Carolyn Butler-Madden is joined by Chris Hudson, Founder & CEO of Company Road, to explore how his own personal purpose has driven his work in catalysing organisational change. Chris shares his journey from childhood to the Ad Agency world, through corporate marketing to entrepreneurship—driven by curiosity and a deep desire to challen...