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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

The Fathoms podcast is about serious work for unserious humans. We dive deep into the topics that make us human. Whether it's the Enneagram or just learning to ask better questions. There's never a shortage of gravity or levity, so hit play, let's get to it! This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

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Jul 17, 2025

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Episodes

Interview | Trauma: Victimhood and True Resilience with Dr. Kristin Beasley 03.08.2023

We continue our series on trauma and personhood with another conversation with Dr. Kristin Beasley. Dr. B is a clinical psychologist who specializes in trauma and early childhood development. Dr. B helps us clarify terms such as “victim” and “victimhood.” She provides practical insight on how to more compassionately work with those who have experienced trauma and is a wealth of wisdom on cultivati...

Interview | Trauma: Trauma Before Type with Sharon K. Ball 27.07.2023

In this first episode on trauma, we interview Sharon K. Ball. Licensed therapist and enneagram professional who specializes in trauma and the enneagram. Sharon is the author of Reclaiming You: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience.  [1:10] Abram asks Sharon for her “top strength in her Myers-briggs finder” (?) [2:00] Clarifying some terms: trauma and resilience [4:15] The 4 Ty...

Reflection | Ideology: Developing Courage & Curiosity 20.07.2023

In this episode, we reflect upon our recent conversation with singer/songwriter Andy Squyres. If you haven't listened to that episode, go check it out and then come back and reflect with us. We look forward to our next topic, trauma and personhood. Andy’s Instagram post that inspired our conversation: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgUkgrYOn6M/   Follow Andy’s work at https://andysquyres.co...

Interview | Ideology: Testing the Paradigms that Shape Us 13.07.2023

In this episode, we’re joined by singer/songwriter Andy Squyres (or “song doula” to Linz). Andy is a brilliant creative and a deep thinker who challenges our assumptions about the enneagram and the broader self help world. Andy is familiar with the enneagram but by no means a practitioner. He’s the perfect guest to share much needed perspective about this work we care about so much. His observatio...

Reflections | Aging: Holding Close and Letting Go 06.07.2023

Wrapping up our mini-series on aging and personhood, the Fathoms hosts reflect upon our episodes with the wonderful and wise Clare Loughrige. They also look ahead to our upcoming conversation with poet/musician Andy Squyres, who has some major and important critiques of the enneagram. Join our Marco Polo Sharecast: https://onmarcopolo.com/sharecast/dIT4N10HbBKn — Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “D...

Interview | Aging: A Meditation on Grief & Letting Go with Clare Loughrige 29.06.2023

In this episode, we have the second of our 2 part conversation with enneagram author and teacher Clare Loughrige. Lindsey talks with Clare about the aging process and how it impacts the dynamics of personhood, especially the “Third Act” of life. Stick around to the end of this one, as Clare provides a specific encouragement for each type and a profound meditation on our futures.  [0:40]...

Interview | Aging: The Gift of the Third Act with Clare Loughrige 27.06.2023

In this episode, we have the first of an incredible 2 part conversation with enneagram author and teacher Clare Loughrige. We talk to Clare about the aging process and how it impacts the dynamics of personhood, especially the “Third Act” of life. Have a listen and be on the lookout for part 2 of this series later this week. [1:40] How Western culture exalts youthfulness, and what to make...

Reflections | Chronic Illness: Embracing Limitation 22.06.2023

In this episode, the Fathoms hosts reflect upon our previous two episodes focused on chronic illness. If you haven’t listened to our conversations with Brook Gurrad and K.J. Ramsey, stop what you’re doing right now and have a listen. The hosts also ask for your help on an upcoming episode, and introduce our next topic we’re exploring in this season.  [1:05] Our insights gained and reflections...

Bonus | 100 Episodes & an Announcement 15.06.2023

In this episode, the Fathoms co-hosts, are joined by Lee Fields and Milton Stewart to celebrate Fathoms’ 100th episode and to announce and exciting new partnership with the IEA as temporary hosts of the International Enneagram Association Podcast for this year’s global conference. Listen as they all share what this year’s theme, “Unite & Ignite,” mean to them within the Enneagram community and...

Interview | Chronic Illness: Becoming An Empathetic Witness with KJ Ramsey 08.06.2023

We continue the conversation on chronic illness and personhood with our friend, the brilliant author and therapist, K.J. Ramsey. K.J. offers profound and practical wisdom on suffering and chronic illness, and she's ennea-fluent. Her books include: This Too Shall Last: Finding Grace When Suffering Lingers The Lord is My Courage: Stepping Through the Shadows of Fear to the Voice of Love Book of...

Interview | Chronic Illness: When Health Means Standing Still with Brooke Gurrad 01.06.2023

Interview | Chronic Illness: When Health Means Standing Still with Brooke Gurrad In this episode, we interview Brooke Gurrad of The Bonus Years Podcast. Brooke is an important voice in telling the story of those who live with chronic illness. She has profound wisdom to share about the dynamics of personhood for chronically ill persons and how to see and live as whole persons when life doesn’t go a...

Reflections | Race: The Bypassed and The Bypassing 25.05.2023

Reflections | Race: The Bypassed and The Bypassing Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @_creekmore Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - http...

Interview | Race: Living by the Platinum Rule with Dr. Deborah Egerton 18.05.2023

In this episode, we interview Dr. Deborah Egerton (Dr. E). Dr. E is a Diversity, Equity, & Anti-racism Specialist, Author, Executive Coach, Keynote Speaker, and Culture Transformation & Leadership Development Expert. Dr. E. brings all kinds of brilliance and new insights on the enneagram  [1:40] When’s the last time Dr. E’s had a good belly laugh?   [6:30] About Dr. E’s book Know...

Interview | Race: Embracing our Armor with Chichi Agorom 16.05.2023

In this episode, we continue our series on race and the enneagram and interview Chichi Agorom, author of the brilliant book, The Enneagram for Black Liberation.  [0:45] What’s energizing Chichi right now?  [3:00] The importance of considering the collective, not just the individual, when using the enneagram [7:35] A bit about Chichi’s Nigerian background [9:10] What’s challenging about b...

Interview | Race: Intersectionality & Privilege with Danielle Fanfair 11.05.2023

In this episode, we interview consultant, author, and enneagram teacher Danielle Fanfair. Danielle is full of wisdom and possesses a fierce compassion in exploring some of the more challenging aspects of race and personality.  [1:15] A bit about Danielle’s enneagram certification program and why she developed it.  [8:45] The gaps Danielle seeks to fill in her enneagram work [12:45] How D...

Interview | Race: Socialization & Shortcomings of the Enneagram with Jessica D. Dickson 09.05.2023

In this episode, we interview Jessica Dickson. Jessica is an enneagram teacher and host of the Antiracist Enneagram Podcast. Jessica’s wisdom on socialization and its impact on the enneagram is profound. Enjoy!  2:35 A bit about Jessica’s work with clients 3:30 A bit about Jessica’s podcast: The Antiracist Enneagram Podcast 6:30 Coco, Encanto, and being human 8:50 The concept of socialization...

Reflections | Culture & the Enneagram 04.05.2023

Reflections | Culture & the Enneagram Today we’re debriefing our last two episodes on the overlays of culture and the enneagram, sharing what we learned, and setting up what’s coming next in season 4!  0:40 Why we aren’t a morning show 2:33 What surprised us about our conversations with Maria Jose and Chin Ai.  8:47 Contemplating the interplay between cultural influences and enneagra...

Interview | Culture: Expanding Our Fluency with Chin Ai Oh 27.04.2023

In this interview, we interview enneagram teacher Chin Ai Oh. Chin Ai lives and words in Malaysia and has a lot of wisdom to share on expanding our cultural fluency when using the enneagram. 2:00 Who is Chin Ai?  4:00 The last time Chin Ai ate Durian.  6:00 Chin Ai’s enneagram origin story 10:45 How Chin Ai integrates the enneagram into her career working in FinTech 14:40 Differences wor...

Interview | Culture: Expanding Our Definitions with Maria Jose Munita 20.04.2023

Maria Jose Munita - @mjmunita mjmunita.com Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @_creekmore Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podc...

Conversation | Prototype. Archetype. Stereotype. 13.04.2023

In this conversational episode, Abram, Creek, and Lindsey discuss the prototype, archetype, and stereotype expressions of personality, and how it connects to our Season 4 theme: dynamics of personhood.  12:45 Prototype - What comes to mind, what we mean 14:10 Archetype - What comes to mind, what we mean 17:45 Stereotype - What we mean & how it harms.  22:10 Thoughts on avoiding stere...

Introduction | Season 4: Dynamics of Personhood 06.04.2023

Season Four is here, friends! We are so excited to share these beautiful, vulnerable, and inspiring conversations with you. This season is tapping into something really special in our hearts, challenging us to grow profoundly. We hope you love this season as much as we do. Thanks for coming along with us! Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @...

Trailer | Season 4: Dynamics of Personhood 05.04.2023

Season Four is here, friends! We are so excited to share these beautiful, vulnerable, and inspiring conversations with you. This season is tapping into something really special in our hearts, challenging us to grow profoundly. Here's a teaser to get you hyped about what's in store! We hope you love this season as much as we do. Thanks for coming along with us! Song: "King's Castle" by Kazi Jay Kaz...

Bonus | Emotional Intelligence & the Enneagram 16.03.2023

Connect with Scott! Scott's Instagram Sway Leadership Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.” — Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm T...

Bonus | Quotes to Uncover the Layers (Part 2) 02.03.2023

Quotes to Uncover the Layers (Part 2) Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.” — Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm This podcast uses...

Bonus | Quotes to Uncover the Layers (Part 1) 09.02.2023

Bonus: Quotes to Uncover the Layers [Part 1] In this bonus episode of Fathoms, Lindsey & the Seths talk about Abram’s recent Instagram series [@IntegratedEnneagram] on quotes for each type to uncover the layers of our personality. Abram shares the quote and then the hosts share how that quote resonates with their own type structures. They hosts also try to impersonate Drew…and fail miserably.&...

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