Cathy Little and Melinda Wilson

Face to Face Podcast

Religion EN ↓ 189 episodes

Hosts Cathy Little and Melinda Wilson, co-founders of Face to Face Network, talk about what it means to walk in true freedom, inner healing (heart and emotional healing), and wholeness, accessing all that Jesus represents. They also include interviews with key leaders who are passionate to help you find it. www.facetofacenetwork.orgThe views and opinions expressed on the Face to Face Podcast are those of the individual speakers and do not necessarily reflect the official position or beliefs of Face to Face Network.

Author

Cathy Little and Melinda Wilson

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Religion

Podcast website

facetofacenetwork.org

Latest episode

May 26, 2026

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Episodes

E188 | Susan Carson | Safe Enough to Heal: Why the Church Gets Trauma Wrong and What to Do Instead 26.05.2026

 E188 | Susan Carson | Safe Enough to Heal: Why the Church Gets Trauma Wrong and What to Do Instead Welcome to the Face to Face podcast and episode 188 with spiritual director and author Susan Carson. Susan tells her story of meeting Jesus at 18, later experiencing spiritual trauma, and moving into a contemplative path of prayer and inner healing. We talk about how neuroscience, Christian mystics...

E187 | Dr. Jason Swan Clark | Trauma Healing, Mental Health and Ignatian Spiritual Exercises 05.05.2026

In episode 187,  we welcome Dr. Jason Swan Clark, a professor, spiritual director, former pastor, and theologian, who recounts his traumatic childhood, coming to faith at 17, decades of church planting and pastoral leadership, a nervous breakdown at 30, and ongoing work integrating mental health and faith. Jason describes how suffering shaped his leadership, distinguishes healing from transformati...

E186 | Paul Young | Embracing Uncertainty: Finding Truth in the Unknowing - Part 2 21.04.2026

E186 | Paul Young | Embracing Uncertainty: Finding Truth in the Unknowing - Part 2 Paul Young (Part 2) on Prayer as Relationship, 12-Step Community, Healing vs Curing, and Return to the Shack In episode 186 (Part 2) of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our conversation with Paul Young, discussing prayer as ongoing conversation within relationship and how spiritual practices can help but often...

E185 | Paul Young | Embracing Uncertainty: Finding Truth in the Unknowing - Part 1 07.04.2026

E185 | Paul Young | Embracing Uncertainty: Finding Truth in the Unknowing - Part 1 We are excited to  welcome back one of our favorites -  Paul Young (author of The Shack) for part one of a two-episode conversation, while also sharing updates on Immanuel Approach for Life Level 1 and 2 cohorts and a Wheaton College research team studying the model's efficacy.    Paul reflects on the necessity of "...

E184 | Dr. Bob Schuchts on Healing the Whole Person, Spiritual Formation, and Bridging Catholic–Protestant Divides 24.03.2026

Episode 184: Dr. Bob Schuchts on Healing the Whole Person, Spiritual Formation, and Bridging Catholic–Protestant Divides On Episode 184 of the Face to Face Podcast, we welcome Dr. Bob Schuchts, founder of the John Paul II Healing Center, to discuss healing ministry from a Catholic perspective and its overlap with the Immanuel Approach. Dr. Schuchts shares his background as a longtime therapist, a...

E183 | Untangling Love: A Journey with Wayne Jacobsen 03.03.2026

Wayne Jacobson on Experiencing God's Love, Presence, and Freedom Beyond Performance | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 183 In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we interview author and former pastor Wayne Jacobson about moving from a transactional, performance-based faith to an experiential life rooted in God's affection, presence, and fullness. Wayne shares his background, ministry disillusionment...

E182 | Brian Zhand | Christian Nationalism, the Kingdom of Jesus, and a More Beautiful Christianity 18.02.2026

Brian Zahnd on Christian Nationalism, the Kingdom of Jesus, and a More Beautiful Christianity | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 182   In episode 182 of the podcast, Melinda interviews pastor, author, and theologian Brian Zahnd (Word of Life Church, St. Joseph, Missouri), while co-host Cathy is absent due to losing her voice and shares updates on Immanuel Institute trainings and the standalone Understandi...

E181 | Inside the Man Cave: The Heartsmith's Journey with Jason Twombly 03.02.2026

Welcome to another inspiring episode of the Face to Face Podcast. In episode 181, we are honored to introduce Jason Twombly, also known as the Heartsmith. Jason is a spiritual development coach working primarily with men to transform their pain into power, hurt into healing, and wounds into wisdom. Dive deep into discussions about emotional maturity, trauma processing, and the journey of healing w...

E180 | Bill Vanderbush | Rediscovering the Simple Gospel 20.01.2026

In this enlightening episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we sit down with Bill Vanderbush to explore the simplicity and depth of the gospel. Bill dives deep into the contrast between modern Western Christianity and the early church teachings, emphasizing the importance of understanding our identity through Christ.   We discuss the pitfalls of performance-based faith, the transformative power of g...

E179 | Discovering the Self with Adam Young: The Role of Neuroscience in Faith 06.01.2026

E179 | Discovering the Self with Adam Young: The Role of Neuroscience in Faith (Exploring Attachment and Brain Science with Adam Young)   In this episode we welcome therapist and author Adam Young to discuss the profound impact of early caregiver relationships on how we relate to God. Young explains the importance of understanding our attachment history and the significant influence of early life...

E178 | Unveiling the Self: Internal Family Systems with Jenna Riemersma 23.12.2025

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we welcome bestselling author and professional counselor Jenna Riemersma to discuss Internal Family Systems (IFS). Dropping during Christmas week, the episode focuses on deeper connection and healing practices. Jenna explains the significance of IFS, a therapeutic model emphasizing the importance of embracing all aspects of oneself, even those that are...

E178 | Michael John Cusick Part 2 | Embracing Sacred Attachment 02.12.2025

The Journey to Wholeness with Michael John Cusick - Part 2 In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful conversation with Michael John Cusick. We are excited to invite you to join our Level 1 and Level 2 Immanuel Approach training sessions starting in December and January. Michael delves into various topics, including spiritual disciplines, mysticism, and the importance...

E177 | Michael John Cusick, Part 1 | Authenticity: The Path to Wholeness 18.11.2025

E177 | Michael John Cusick | Authenticity: The Path to Wholeness Welcome to Episode 177 of the Face to Face Podcast! Today we discuss their Immanuel Approach course levels and introduce their special guest, Michael John Cusick. Cusick, an author, podcaster, and therapist, shares his remarkable story of overcoming early-life trauma. The conversation delves into themes of vulnerability, the importan...

E176 | Chuck DeGroat | Navigating the Journey of Healing, Vulnerability and Growth 04.11.2025

Today we sit down and have a compelling conversation with Chuck DeGroat, a licensed therapist, spiritual director, and author of six books including 'Leaving Egypt'. Chuck shares his journey of emotional and spiritual transformation, the significance of vulnerability, and practical exercises for achieving a deeper sense of safety and connection. Special topics include insights on the Immanuel Appr...

E175 | Chris Green | Bridging Theology and Life: A Conversation with Chris Green Part 2 14.10.2025

In Episode 175 we share part two of our enlightening discussion with Bishop Chris Green. This episode covers significant topics such as understanding trauma, the role of suffering in life, and the differences between tenderness and vulnerability. Chris provides profound insights into how one's view of God affects their emotional responses and emphasizes the importance of leaning into our humanity...

E174 | Chris Green | Bridging Theology and Life: A Conversation with Chris Green Part 1 30.09.2025

Welcome to episode 174 of the Face to Face Podcast, hosted by Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little. We are excited to share with you an in-depth conversation with theologian and professor Chris Green, discussing the interplay between theology and everyday life. Chris Green shares his journey into theology, influenced by scholars like Stanley Hauerwas and Robert Jensen. Our discussion shifts to the role...

E173 | Dr. Baxter Kruger | Faith and Identity: Unveiling the Divine Within - Part 2 16.09.2025

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful discussion with Dr. Baxter Kruger. We explore the significance of union with Jesus, practical ways it manifests in daily life, and how to recognize Jesus' presence in everyday actions. Our conversation also highlights upcoming events and courses from the Immanuel Institute that delve deeper into cultivating a closer relationsh...

E172 | Dr. Baxter Kruger | Faith and Identity: Unveiling the Divine Within - Part 1 02.09.2025

Join us for an intriguing conversation with theologian, Dr. Baxter Kruger as he delves into theological discussions about the nature of God's love, the significance of the Trinity, and the purpose of creation. He challenges traditional Western Christian doctrines, advocating for a more beautiful gospel centered on love and unity with God. The episode encourages listeners to re-examine their belief...

E171 | Dr. Margaret Nagib | Healing from the Inside Out: Trauma, Faith, and the Nervous System 19.08.2025

Join us for a powerful episode of the Face to Face Podcast as we sit down with Dr. Margaret Nagib, a clinical psychologist with over 20 years of experience, to explore the integration of faith, psychology, and nervous system healing. Discover how trauma responses shape our lives, why nervous system regulation is foundational for emotional and spiritual health, and practical steps for moving from s...

E170 | Suhail Stephen - Part 2 | The Enneagram & Spiritual Formation 05.08.2025

In this episode, we continue our conversation with Suhail Stephen, exploring how the Enneagram can deepen spiritual formation and self-understanding. We discuss the Enneagram's origins, its nine personality types, and how it helps us recognize both our strengths and areas for growth. Suhail shares personal insights and practical ways the Enneagram can foster compassion, freedom, and more authentic...

E169 | Suhail Stephen - Part 1 | Exploring Spiritual Direction 22.07.2025

In this episode of the Face to Face podcast, we engage in a profound conversation with Suhail Stephen, a spiritual director from Manitoba, Canada. We delve into Suhail's multicultural upbringing, his journey into spiritual direction, and the significance of the contemplative Christian tradition. We also discuss practical steps like the Daily Examen and the role of a spiritual director in deepening...

E168 | Jessie Cruickshank - Part 2 | Understanding Identity & Faith Development 08.07.2025

In Part 2 with Jessie Cruickshank, we discuss deeper connections and meaningful relationships through the lens of  Identity Formation Theory. Our conversation covers various phases of human and spiritual  development from infancy to adulthood, highlighting how our  understanding of ourselves and God evolves.  You will be invited to explore phases of growth, the importance of autobiographical memor...

E167 - Jessie Cruickshank - Part 1 | Understanding Identity & Faith Development 24.06.2025

E167 - Jessie Cruickshank - Part 1 | Understanding Identity & Faith Development In this episode, we introduce Jessie Cruickshank, a neuro-ecclesiologist with a background from Harvard. We discuss the concept of identity formation, delving into various phases of human development based on a theory Jessie evolved from Fowler's stages of faith development. The episode covers infancy and toddler stage...

E166 - David Tensen - Part 2 | Decenter Everything: A New Approach to Eldering 10.06.2025

In this episode, we continue our deep conversation with Australian guest David Tensen. David shares a provocative viewpoint on decentering God from one's life and discusses the symbolic concept of the Trinity as a non-centralized entity. We explore notions of deep spiritual maturity, deconstruction of religious belief systems, and the importance of eldership. The episode further discusses how to e...

E165 - David Tensen | Decenter Everything: A New Approach to Eldering 27.05.2025

In this episode, we discuss important shifts, including the transition from 'Face to Face Ministries' to 'Face to Face Network'. We had an excellent conversation with David Tensen, an Australian philosopher, teacher, chaplain, and poet, known for his profound insights into eldering and inner healing. David shares his journey through advanced pastoral care, internal healing methods, and his new boo...

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