Exit Point
Exit Point
Welcome to Exit Point - A podcast about the advancement of BASE jumping and the exploration of its culture. Whether you‘re curious about getting into BASE, passionate about mountain sports, want to learn how top adventure athletes approach risk assessment or are even a 2000 jump expert, you‘re sure to pick up tidbits of actionable advice on best practices or gain new perspectives when you listen to Exit Point. Laurent Frat and Matt Blank draw on their experience and network of professional jumpers to gain a deeper understanding of all things BASE.
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Episodes
#71 Stane Krajnc: Old School to New Heights 07.07.2026 46:35
In this episode, Sam Hardy hosts living legend Stane Krajnc. They discuss what Stane has observed and learned after decades of BASE jumping and the innovative process that he adopted to found Atair Canopies (one of the most prominent manufacturers of modern parachutes). They dive into what made Stane's career in air-sports uniquely sustainable as well as touch on advice for the next generation to...
#70 Scott Paterson: Full Froth 01.07.2026 52:52
Former guest Tim Howell hosts his longtime friend Scott Patterson, who is a professional wingsuit athlete, extreme sports media producer and demonstration jumper. Hailing originally from Australia, Scott lives full time in Switzerland and works full time as a sponsored athlete and professional skydiving and BASE jumping instructor. In this episode Tim and Scott discuss what it was like to be at th...
#69 Jimmy Peterson: Child's Play 28.05.2026 1:17:57
In this episode Matt Blank hosts Jimmy Peterson as they examine the legal and ethical issues involved in tandem BASE jumping with minors.
#68 Lewis Jones: The Leader of Lemmings 16.05.2026 1:50:34
Hosted by Sam Hardy, this episode dives into the shadowed world of urban BASE jumping with Lewis Jones, one of the most infamous building jumpers in the history of BASE jumping.
#67 Feral the Good C#%t 22.02.2026 2:17:05
This installment of Exit Point was pulled from the archives, where it was never intended to end up. In this episode Laurent Frat sits down with the globally notorious BASE jumper and locally legendary Australian BASE Association leader known by his fitting moniker, Feral.
#66 Jill Kuzman and the Mat Kenney Story Part 2 18.02.2026 1:03:25
This is the second part in a multi-part series examining the life and death of jumper Mathew Kenney. Part 1 can be found on episode #56 with Jeff Shapiro. In this installment, Matt Blank sits down with veteran BASE jumper Jill Kuzman to discuss her BASE jumping journey alongside Mat and how she views their adventure after his addition to the BASE fatality list.
#65 Katelyn Escott Part 2: Straight out of Compton 17.09.2025 44:59
This was supposed to be the second installment of a series following the career of Wingsuit BASE jumper Kate "Compton" Escott, but instead it has become the last in this series. This episode was recorded a month before she lost her life while wingsuit BASE jumping and aimed to cover her transition from up-and-coming amateur to true professional. You can listen to her first interview with us by scr...
#64 Sara Pendlebury - mental health and high-risk sports 28.03.2025 1:45:43
In this episode, we explore the critical topic of mental health, particularly within the context of high-risk sports. Sara Pendlebury, a registered psychotherapist from Chamonix Therapy discusses with Laurent Frat the unique challenges faced by athletes in high risk-sports. They cover a range of topics including the impact of grief, the importance of self-regulation, and the role of community. Sar...
#63 Dante Wardlaw: cross-training, learning, and the joys of flight 11.02.2025 1:40:24
In this episode, Laurent sits down with Dante Wardlaw, a multidisciplinary air sports athlete. Their discussion covers Dante's journey from early exposure to skydiving and paragliding, to becoming a full-time professional. Dante shares insights into his rigorous but fun training schedule, his constant quest for improvement, and the delicate balance between humility and confidence. They also discus...
#62 Peyton Malesovas: imposter syndrome, repression and next-gen progression 31.01.2025 2:18:45
In this episode I’m Matt Blank speaks with Peyton Malesovas. In an attempt to start bridging the gap between the gray hairs and the youngbloods, she’s agreed to come on and share her perspective about getting into BASE jumping and becoming an "intermediate". They address imposter syndrome, early onset sendiness and she sheds light on the big-picture questions of how we keep the BASE jumping comm...
#61 Jon Devore: triumph, tragedy and team work 08.01.2025 1:56:34
In this episode, Laurent sits down with Jon Devore. Jon is a professional skydiving stuntman, aerial stunt coordinator, and captain of the Red Bull Air Force team. This episode is rich with insights and full of contrast. From his beginnings as an educator, to pioneering freeflying, to doubling as Johnny Utah in the Point Break remake - Jon shares how teamwork, and dedicated training were vital to...
#60 Anne Helliwell: innovation, pioneering, BASE jumping legend 27.12.2024 1:34:56
In this episode, host Matt Blank pulls over with Anne Helliwell to get a look into the renaissance era of BASE jumping. An integral part of creating BASE specific equipment, Anne pioneered and invented a substantial portion of the techniques and technology BASE jumpers use today. She’s been an active jumper for close to four decades, leading and participating in jumps all over the world. We touch...
#59 Tomic Kluzniak: navigating training, challenging limits, and flying with intention 11.12.2024 1:22:13
In this episode, Laurent sits down with Tomic, an expert wingsuit BASE jumper, skydiving and tunnel coach. They cover his journey, strategies, and philosophies. Tomic shares his approach to both teaching and executing technical jumps, the importance of mindset, and how he combines intense training, and athletic preparation with creative expression. He also reflects on his acceptance of the inhere...
#58 Moab Joe: self-destruction to chasing self-actualization through flying 02.12.2024 1:32:04
In this episode Matt Blank sits down with Joe Lohmuller in his home in Moab, Utah to talk about Joe’s journey from a life of self-destruction to one seeking self-actualization. This episode covers everything from substance abuse to terrain flying tactics as we dive into Joe’s progression toward the cutting-edge of wingsuit BASE jumping. Joe’s perspective and story not only provide valuable insight...
#57 Peter Salzmann: Wingsuit Foil innovation, performance mindset, balancing risk & rewards 21.11.2024 1:52:54
In #57 Laurent Frat sits down with Peter Salzmann, an Austrian wingsuit pilot who recently set world records in BASE jumping with his innovative wingsuit foil. They cover Peter's career as a paragliding instructor, stuntman, and professional wingsuit pilot. Peter shares his early beginnings from jumping off the roof of his house as a child to what it feels like to fly the foil. Some highlights ar...
#56 Jeff Shapiro: recovering a fallen friend, reflecting on loss, and reshaping perspectives 29.10.2024 1:44:50
Laurent sits down with Jeff Shapiro to share the profoundly personal and emotional experience of leading a fatality recovery from a remote wingsuit accident. Jeff provides a vivid recount of the technical challenges and emotional weight faced bringing the body of Mat Kenney home, while reflecting on the deep bonds within the BASE jumping community. Their conversation explores the balance between...
#55 David Laffargue: state of BASE education, finding balance, and respecting the sport 15.10.2024 1:25:45
In this episode of Exit Point, Laurent sits down with David Laffargue. Their conversation goes unfiltered as they have a gritty, candid exchange that attempts to strip away some of the unspoken elements of greed to reveal the sport’s raw truths. They tackle everything from the temptations of shortcuts in training to redefining ‘cool’ by prioritizing safety and longevity. Whether you’re a seasoned...
#54 Gavin McClurg: mentorship, flow and navigating intermediate syndrome 24.09.2024 1:46:52
In this episode, hosts Laurent Frat and Matt Blank step outside the realm of BASE jumping to gain valuable insights from Gavin McClurg, the host of Cloudbase Mayhem and a celebrated figure in the paragliding world. Gavin, a former Red Bull X-Alps pilot and National Geographic Adventurer of the Year, shares his journey from ski racing to paragliding, offering lessons that resonate across high-risk...
#53 Jacob Gardner: the art of rigging, overcoming gear fear, and Magic Backpacks 05.08.2024 2:01:55
In this episode, Matt Blank interviews Jacob Gardner, a renowned BASE jumper and equipment manufacturer. Jacob delves into his journey as a parachute rigger, the challenges and learning curve he faced, and how understanding gear transformed fear into fun. The discussion covers the evolution of BASE canopy manufacturing, the importance of equipment maintenance, and the trade-offs between different...
#51 Sean Devlin: analyzing risk, water training, and navigating BASE 03.06.2024 2:30:44
In this episode, Matt records with Sean Devlin who comes on to share his perspective on wingsuit progression, using data driven analysis to enhance performance and the importance of water training in the BASE environment. Devlin has built an impressive career outside of BASE jumping as a risk analyst in the financial tech world as well as compiled an impressive wingsuit resume traveling the world...
#49 Kendrick Dane: law, advocacy and the National Parks Service vs BASE jumping 23.04.2024 1:35:15
In this episode, Laurent is joined by Kendrick Dane, a licensed attorney and BASE jumper. They explore the evolving world of BASE jumping, its legal battles, community spirit, and the pursuit of freedom through human flight. Kendrick is also General Counsel for the advocacy group BASE Access, whose mission is to preserve and open site access on public lands within the United States. Kendrick and L...
#48 - Avery Badenhop, Dennis McGlynn, and Harry Parker: Team Ill Vision 15.03.2024 2:23:33
In this episode, Matt Blank talks with Avery Badenhop, Dennis McGlynn, and Harry Parker, who were known during the 90s as the “three-headed dragon” of BASE and founders of the infamous Team Ill Vision. This team has been a timeless model for outlaw extreme sports gangs living an endless summer lifestyle. The leader of Team Ill Vision, Avery, is the quintessential counterculture athlete, creating a...
#47 – Marshall Miller: Saying yes, importance of patience in high risk sports, and balancing family w/ adventure 15.02.2024 1:35:14
In this episode, Laurent welcomes Marshall Miller. Marshall has inspired both jumpers and the public with his epic videos from his early days to his recent projects, including his appearance in Line of Sight ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcWMZq8-3wI ), shout-out to the KAVU boys for producing what we believe is one of the most incredible wingsuit BASE jumping videos ever made. Marshall, a pi...
#46 - Jonathan Cox: A New World Record 29.01.2024 1:37:18
In this episode, Matt Blank interviews John Cox, a mostly self-taught BASE jumper who recently shattered the world record for "Most BASE jumps in 24 hours". He surpassed the previous record holders (Miles Daisher and Danny Weiland) at the end of 2023 with an outstanding performance, completing more than 100 jumps off the Perrine Bridge in Twin Falls, Idaho. We talk to him about his progression in...
#45 Laurent Frat, Matt Blank and Mark Stockwell: Exit Point team round table 12.01.2024 57:54
In this episode, the Exit Point team holds a round table discussion about how we've been doing and where we hope to go. This episode also celebrates a milestone in our podcast. Sometime last year, thanks to all of you out there, we passed 100,000 downloads and have since blown past that. Thank you all for listening and supporting us by sharing the podcast, leaving us reviews, and donating so that...
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