Drew Messinger-Michaels and Lucio Valentino
Everybody's Talking at Once
Trying to make sense of things, and sometimes even succeeding. A podcast about videogames, music, books, movies, television, theater, gallery art, and life as (mostly) proud citizens of the Internet.
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Episodes
Something That Sticks With You, with Matthew Seiji Burns 16.12.2025 1:10:18
Process is Matthew Seiji Burns' first novel, in some ways following directly from his work on Eliza (and the under-appreciated rest of his narratives for the Zachtronics/Coincidence catalog) but in other ways, exploring weird new territory in the realms of unreliable narration, meditations on technology, and reflections on/of Seattle. You can get Process via Tune & Fairweather, or at your loca...
Who Could Want Gameplay? with Alexander Clair Tseu Martin (a.k.a. droqen) 12.05.2025 1:38:19
The one and only droqen puzzle-platforms on over to discuss his latest game The End of Gameplay , and how it responds to the stubbornly present, all-too-alive gameplay in his game Starseed Pilgrim . This requires a provisional definition of gameplay. Whether the conversation's other tributaries are required or not is a question for the listener. You can get The End of Gameplay on Steam and Itch.io...
The Utility of Contrarianism, with Barney Oram 28.01.2025 1:08:21
Barney Oram gets into different patterns of sound design, in all sorts of different roles and at all sorts of different scales—plus his love of film in general and Billy Wilder in particular, the durable ethos that "if it sounds good, it is good," and his extensive experience recording loud sounds that go bang. You can learn more about Barney's work on his website . You can also follow Barney on L...
If We Can’t Do This, Then What Are We Doing? with Rasheed Abueideh and Rami Ismail 06.01.2025 1:06:26
Rasheed Abueideh and Rami Ismail talk about Dreams on a Pillow . We talk about how the game combines layered, poetic audiovisuals and gameplay with history and folklore in order to create an account of the Nakba "that is so true to what happened that it is borderline-illegal to say it." You can help crowdfund Dreams on a Pillow on LaunchGood . You can download Liyla and the Shadows of War for free...
This Nightmare Will Never End! Hell Yeag! with Lilith Walther 16.04.2024 1:05:07
Lilith Walther aetherboosts her way on over to talk about Nightmare Kart , its previously life as Bloodborne KART , its demake predecessor Bloodborne PSX , and the relationship between retro aesthetics, open development practices, and a general attitude of... YOLO? Nightmare Kart will be out for free on May 31. You can see more of Lilith's work, including Bloodborne PSX , on Itch.io . You can also...
Dragon’s Dogma II, Chaos, and Dogs 02.04.2024 41:47
Dragon's Dogma II is full of inventive, quirky flourishes, meaningful frictions, and... shameless micro-transactions that capitalize on those exact quirks and frictions. We can, of course, get meaning and joy out of art that comes to us compromised. Which is good news, since most art, if not all art, comes to us compromised. But the details matter. So let's dig into the details, and along the way...
Helldivers II and Making Art about Fascism without Making Fascist Art 19.03.2024 42:10
Helldivers II is a wildly popular co-op shooter. It's also extremely funny. It's also very much about fascism, both in the sense that its satirical lens is aimed at fascist tendencies in moribund democracies, and in the sense that its core pleasures are... sort of fascist? The music makes you feel like a hero as you do your space violence on behalf of Super Earth, and let's be honest, the capes ar...
Palworld: A Ludic Reading and a Luddite Reading 05.03.2024 26:00
While the show was taking a break, Drew started putting together some essays on the growing list of recent recent surprise hits—games that, for whatever reason, have been doing vastly better than their developers or publishers had expected. 2024 does, so far, seem to have a sort of serial monogamy to it, with the Sauron's Eye of game-liker attention focusing intensely on one thing before moving on...
Some of What We Played in 2023 26.12.2023 1:01:14
Lucio and Drew talk about some of the games they've enjoyed gaming at this year, from KarmaZoo, Pizza Tower , Wobbly Life , and The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, to Remnant II , Spider-Man 2 , Street Fighter 6, Jedi: Survivor , Wo Long , and Tears of the Kingdom . Speaking of, spoilers for Remnant II from 40:53 to 44:21. ——— • We've talked before abou t playing games, including but not limited to...
You Should Be Free, with Glen Henry and Chase Bethea 12.12.2023 1:03:50
Glen Henry and Chase Bethea drop achor awhile and talk about Sunken Stones , why pirates mean freedom, and why the Golden Age of Piracy was a lot more Caribbean than Pirates of the Caribbean would have you believe. Also, inevitably, One Piece . You can play the Sunken Stones demo on Itch.io , and wishlist the full game on Steam . You can find Chase's work on his own website, as well as on Spotify...
Setting the Stakes, with Ezra Szanton 28.11.2023 1:25:31
Ezra Szanton painstakingly platforms his way over to talk about To The Flame , the first in his new studio's forthcoming kinda-trilogy of horror games. He also talks about how to effective horror, what makes a game interesting to watch as well as play, and some of the potentially-actually-pretty-intereting applications for so-called AI. You can find Ezra's games on his Itch.io page . You can also...
Devs, Uh, Find a Way, with Eric Peterson (a.k.a. Baja the Frog) 14.11.2023 1:02:09
Eric Peterson hops on over to talk about the joys of hobbyist game development, the things that need to change in professional game development (even when compared to other parts of tech), and the cultural importance of drawing little guys. You can play JOUNCER PX (as it's called now) on itch.io . You can find a bunch of Eric's work on his Linktree , and specifically on his Itch.io . You can also...
Reality, Augmented and Otherwise, with Ryan Canuel 31.10.2023 1:16:46
Ryan Canuel of Petricore stops by for a mostly-not-especially-spooky conversation about augmented reality, what bootstrapping actually means, and?alright, some stuff about horror movies right at the end there. You can get the Mythic Realms demo in Quest App Lab . You can wishlist AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! Remastered and play its demo on Steam, where you can also play Operation DogFight for free...
That’s the Point of the Thing, with Jerry Belich 17.10.2023 1:47:14
Jerry Belich talks about his wild work in the Alt.ctrl milieu, his boundary-redefining escape rooms (for lack of a better term), and his digital game work, from Recommendation Dog and Reel Steal on the Playdate, to High on Life and High on Knife. High on Knife is out now on Steam, Epic, Xbox, and Playstation. You can find Jerry's work on this pretty comprehensive page of his website . A Masterpiec...
Ambitions and Ascensions, with Des Gayle 03.10.2023 59:27
Des Gayle ascends to the sky island of podcastery to discuss his storied career as a producer, the difficulty of enjoying art when you know how it's made?experiencing it with kids can help?and the joys of self-contained stories in the age of the mega-franchise. You can learn more about Altered Gene and Radical Forge on their websites. You also can wishlist Forever Lost and The Analyst , and preord...
Chance, Curation, Providence, with Matthew Brelsford 19.09.2023 1:09:51
Matt Brelsford opens his hundred eyes and talks about the "loose collective" that is Tiny Mass Games, the spiritual dimension of game development, and (of course) Ophanim. You can find Tiny Mass Games on itch.io . You can also find Betty & Earl and Retro Wing Prime on Steam. ——— • Here are our interviews with Tijmen Tio from Sokpop , Arvi Teikari of Baba Is You fame , and Andrew from Indi...
Baldur’s Gate 3, as Rolled by Two D&D Neophytes 05.09.2023 46:46
Drew and L talk about their time so far with Baldur's Gate 3 , which works beautifully as a sprawling computer RPG, and as a unique intersection of free play and complex game rules—but how does it work as an introduction to Larian's RPGs? How about to Dungeons & Dragons? This ends up being a conversation about expectations, about the actual moment-to-moment experience of playing games (especia...
On Sequels, with Bryant Cannon 22.08.2023 1:07:21
Bryant Cannon tunes into our frequency to talk a bit about OXENFREE II: Lost Signals (which it's too early to spoil), and a whole lot about The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (which it's high time to start spoiling). We do in fact start spoiling the latest Zelda at 00:36:13. OXENFREE II: Lost Signals is out now on Steam , Switch , Playstation , and Netflix . You can follow Bryant (and Night...
A True History Turnip Exchange, with Jaku 08.08.2023 1:07:19
Jaku is a security expert, a speedrunner, and a longtime builder of tools that expand how we interact with games online—from Crowd Control, which empowers streamers' audiences to alter the state of the games being streamed, to Turnip Exchange, which vastly expanded the scope and functionality of the stalk market at the height of the Animal Crossing craze. Here Jaku tells the full story of Turnip E...
Drama, Not Trauma, with Jessica Antenorcruz 25.07.2023 1:03:24
Jessica Antenorcruz has a unique, and also uniquely appropriate role on the upcoming drag queen fighting game Drag Her! She's in charge of the game's writing, from spoken lines to character concepts to plot?and she's also in charge on posing and motion, using her own physical performances to drive the game's hand-animated, rotoscoped realness. Here she talks about why that works so well for a figh...
Somewhere People Want to Be, with Harris Foster 11.07.2023 58:20
Harris Foster is the former Community Manager at Finji and the current Director of Communications at Good Trouble. Here he talks about where those roles overlap, how they differ, and what a purpose-built, welcoming community looks like in practice, online and off. You can follow Good Trouble on Discord , TikTok , Instagram , Twitter , and Bluesky . And you can follow Harris on Twitter and Bluesky...
Monsters and ‘Merica, LLMs and Luddites, with Ichiro Lambe 27.06.2023 1:00:30
Ichiro Lambe has been making games since the days of MUDs and Palm Pilots, and here he talks to Drew about what's new —from the possibilities of so-called AI (as exciting as they are fraught) to his strategic deck-builder of ramshackle autobattles, Million Monster Militia. You can wishlist Million Monster Militia , along with Monster Loves You Too! and AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! , on Steam. You...
The Thing Nobody’s Talking About, with Andrew 13.06.2023 1:41:47
Andrew anthologizes on by to talk about Indiepocalypse, as well as the alleged indiepocolypse. We talk about genre, curation, how to bring people together without Community-Building (capital C, capital B), and how to publish games without acting like a publisher. You can buy or subscribe to Indiepocalypse on Itch.io and Patreon . You can also follow Andrew on Twitter , and find all things Indiepoc...
I Was a Teenage VR Museum, with Sarah Northway and Colin Northway 30.05.2023 56:55
Sarah and Colin Northway land on our own little art-loving exoplanet to wax philosophical about The Museum of Other Realities , I Was a Teenage Exocolonist, and Fantastic Contraption (as well as the spiritual successor to the latter, The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom). PRETTY BIG SPOILERS for I Was A Teenage Exocolonist from 24:30 to 30:10. I Was a Teenage Exocolonist is out now on Steam ,...
There’s Heart in the Art and the Boat Is Afloat, with Tanya X. Short 16.05.2023 56:22
Tanya X. Short descends to our dunj to talk about her ten years as the Captain of Kitfox Games. We talk about about long-term studio survival, what so-called AI really is, and making systems-driven games with heart—as well as the necessity of a tea-witch in all functional partnerships. You can find the whole Kitfox Games catalog on their website . The deadline to apply for the Pixelles Prototype F...
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