Ethical Schools
Ethical Schools
Amy and Jon talk with educational innovators about creating ethical learning environments, helping students overcome the effects of trauma, and empowering young people to make change. Tune in weekly.
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Sep 28, 2026
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Early childhood education: It is play, but it is not “babysitting” 11.02.2021 29:00
We speak with Michele Washington , longtime early childhood lecturer at Lehman College, about expertise at the preschool level. Head Start, pre-K, and 3-K teachers can support children and families in myriad ways once parents or guardians trust them. Cultural humility is essential; teachers need to understand and respect their children’s families and communities. Overview 00:00-00:57 Intros 00:57...
Student record privacy: Danger looms from police and hackers 04.02.2021 40:30
We speak with Mark Lieberman , Education Week tech reporter. Pasco County FL schools give the sheriff records of students deemed “destined to a life of crime.” NYS Education Department funded facial recognition of school visitors to schools. Hackers hold district data hostage for ransom. We discuss legal and ethical privacy issues in the age of tech, including the dilemmas for teachers if a “D” le...
Districtwide decisions: Day to day ethical considerations 27.01.2021 34:00
We speak with Dan Callahan , Assistant Superintendent for Secondary Education in Peekskill City School District, 45 minutes north of Manhattan. The low-income district in wealthy Westchester is 70% Latino, including many students from immigrant families. We discuss how the district has adapted to rapid demographic changes and schools’ role in helping students meet challenges. Mr. Callahan reflects...
UPDATE: Moving toward admissions equity and culture change at Manhattan’s Beacon High School 21.01.2021 1:02:23
We speak with Beacon PTA members Toni Smith-Thompson and Robin Broshi about NYC’s new requirements and the school’s proposed admission plan. Then we listen back to last June’s interview with activist students from the Beacon Union of Unions. Overview 00:00-00:53 Intros 00:53-05:37 What has happened with admissions in NYC and at Beacon since last school year 05:37-15:45 Current status at Beacon; pl...
Systemic racism in special education: Parent participation legitimizes inequities 14.01.2021 34:15
We continue our conversation with LaToya Baldwin Clark of UCLA School of Law. Dr. Baldwin Clark explains how the special education system advantages White middle class families. Poor families and families of color tend to lack cultural capital to navigate the system and advocate effectively for their children. While resources flow to White children with special needs, Black children tend to be s...
Policing attendance boundaries: Education as private property 06.01.2021 42:15
We speak with Dr. LaToya Baldwin Clark , assistant professor at UCLA School of Law. Dr. Baldwin Clark explains how school boundaries are used for racial exclusion. In many cases, schools don’t just reflect, but cause, segregated neighborhoods. Dr. Baldwin Clark argues that closing the education gap isn’t just about bringing up the bottom, but bringing down the top as well. Parents, teachers, and a...
Supporting English Learners: pandemic and post-pandemic solutions 30.12.2020 31:45
We speak with Dr. Julie Sugarman of the Migration Policy Institute about meeting the needs of English Learners. We discuss the meaning and implications of ELs “falling behind” during virtual instruction and difficulties administering upcoming English language proficiency tests. Dr. Sugarman talks about a model for incorporating ELs into planning. She also talks about what is lost (and gained) thro...
Students as experts: Diversity, equity, and inclusion 23.12.2020 39:30
We speak with Dr. Judith King-Calnek , United Nations International School’s first Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. Since UNIS faculty and students come from all over the world, they draw on one another’s backgrounds and lived experience in presenting and analyzing social issues. Faculty, parents, alumni, and, especially, students are involved in new DEI initiatives. Students are actu...
Dodging responsibility for our children: Reducing learning to test scores 17.12.2020 36:50
We speak with Samuel E. Abrams of Teachers College, Columbia University. The root problems in K12 education — including poverty-related stress and underpaid and underprepared teachers — are pervasive and expensive to fix. So instead, the U.S. has adopted a “commercial mindset,” measuring success through standardized test scores and increasingly outsourcing school management to for-profit and nonp...
Students doing original research: Project-based learning in Ohio 09.12.2020 56:47
We speak with middle school teachers, Debbie Holecko and Claudia Bestor, and their former student, Rafel Alshakergi , about a student-led research project that led to ethical civic engagement. Rafel explains how the experience emboldened her to ask questions and “speak [her] mind.” The project, which got national attention, cut against Ohio’s high-stakes test orientation; many teachers are afraid...
Abolitionist education: Creating liberatory spaces (Part Two) 02.12.2020 35:30
We continue our conversation with Dr. Edwin Mayorga of Swarthmore College. We discuss the corporatization of schools that reduces students to their test scores. Dr. Mayorga encourages educators to center joy and healing. Schools should be liberatory rather than places that are too often focused on punishment and surveillance. Schools, as “localized nodes of political power,” should adopt democrati...
Abolitionist education: Creating liberatory spaces (Part One) 26.11.2020 44:30
We speak with Swarthmore’s Dr. Edwin Mayorga , who explains how abolitionist classrooms and schools create “freedom as a place” in contrast to racial capitalism. Teachers are the lead inquirers and try to “move at the speed of trust,” helping to create classrooms full of joy. Edwin describes Philadelphia’s Kensington Health Sciences Academy as a school where teaching and learning are based on esta...
BIPOC and undocumented: A trauma-filled intersection 18.11.2020 33:10
Dr. Christiana Best , who spent thirty years in the New York City child welfare system before becoming a full-time academic, discusses her personal experience of being left behind in Granada while her mother settled in the US. Dr. Best, now an assistant professor of social work at St. Joseph’s, delves into the difficulties of providing holistic support to immigrant children and families, who are (...
The impact of deportation policies on Latinx students’ mental health 11.11.2020 28:45
Dr. Randy Capps , Director of Research for U.S. Programs at the Migration Policy Institute, surveyed Latinx high school students to see how fear of deportation – of their parents, relatives, friends, or themselves – impacts their mental health. The students, roughly half foreign-born and half US-born, suffered anxiety, depression, and PTSD at significantly higher rates than other students their ag...
Empowering school counselors to support struggling students 04.11.2020 36:30
Dr. Mandy Savitz-Romer of Harvard Graduate School of Education sees counselors as schools’ academic conscience, the hub for providing holistic support to students. To be effective, they need a seat at the leadership table. Respondents in Savitz-Romer’s 1000-counselor survey described obstacles and successes in serving students during the pandemic. Overview 00:00-00:46 Intros 00:46-03:30 School co...
Holistic history: The African diaspora 28.10.2020 39:45
Dr. Kim Butler , who leads Rutgers’s Africana Studies program, says that while we usually teach history and social studies in discreet, testable units, events are complex and interconnected. Slavery throughout the Americas was central to the development of capitalism. Dr. Butler describes how working class students often can’t choose a liberal arts education because they have to focus on getting j...
Students leading change: Inclusiveness at an elite school 22.10.2020 49:12
Stacey Cervellino Thorp and Naima Moffett-Warden teach drama at Manhattan’s famed LaGuardia High School, and Abigail Rivera is a senior in the drama studio. Although all LaGuardia students are extraordinarily talented, their families, neighborhoods, and middle schools have vastly different resources. Students and faculty, led by students of color, have won changes and are demanding more steps to m...
Teaching economics as political and ethical choices 14.10.2020 37:00
We welcome back Lev Moscow of the Beacon School to discuss his approach to teaching political economy, which actually applies to any social science. It’s not primarily about the numbers but about the human choices behind them. How do we determine who gets paid what and who gets to spend 80,000 hours in a lifetime engaged in meaningful work? Also, how our mantra of continuous economic growth will e...
Education denied: What should reparations look like? 07.10.2020 48:00
Daarel Burnette II of Education Week delves into the history of Black communities demanding education and school boards conspiring to deprive them of opportunities and resources. We zoom in on Virginia’s reparations to Black citizens, now in their 60’s, who were excluded from schools when Prince Edward County shut its schools to avoid integration. Mr. Burnette, a “military brat,” theorizes about w...
Identity-focused classes: Experiments in cultural relevance 30.09.2020 38:45
We speak with Dr. Emily Penner, who studied the impacts of two programs in which students delved into their respective races, ethnicities, and communities. San Francisco’s was designed for academically-struggling students of a range of ethnicities. Oakland’s was designed for young Black men across academic achievement levels, as part of the district’s “targeted universalism” approach. The results...
Practicing ethics: Case studies 23.09.2020 41:00
We speak with Meira Levinson , Professor of Education at Harvard, about her website justiceinschools.org and books of “hard cases,” designed to help educators and youth workers think about the ethical implications of their decisions. Often, there are no perfect solutions, and these decisions can have far-reaching consequences in children’s lives. A former teacher herself, Meira would like teach...
Parent voice: Supporting families with special needs 17.09.2020 51:00
Ellen McHugh , long time activist and Public Advocate Williams’s appointee to the NYC Citywide Council on Special Education, delves into the challenges facing parents of students with special education needs. Ethical relationships among educators, parents, and the students themselves are crucial to these students’ success. Too often educators minimize the importance of parental input even though...
Antiracism: Lessons for the classroom and faculty lounge 09.09.2020 48:00
We speak with Mica Pollock about US vs Hate and Schooltalk . Student anti-racism messaging in any medium can catalyze youth activism. Comments embedded in teachers’ everyday communication can impact students’ lifetime trajectories. Overview 00:00-00:45 Intros 00:45-03:07 What US vs. Hate is designed to do 03:07-05:57 Impacts 05:57-09:11 How US vs Hate deepens the conversation 09:11-11:23 Student...
Consumption as ethics: Talking with students about food 03.09.2020 27:15
We welcome back Monica Chen of Factory Farming Awareness Coalition. She describes the animal-agricultural complex that exploits workers in meatpacking plants and animals in factory farms and devastates communities and the environment. Monica introduces FFAC’s culturally-competent virtual lessons and presentations for students from middle school through university, customized for all subject areas....
Busting out of the classroom: Connecting local history to everyday life 26.08.2020 43:30
Social studies teacher David Edelman and student Raúl Baez speak about their class’s “Virtual Walking Tour of Slavery in New York City” and other projects in which students become teachers. David’s goal is to instill curiosity and encourage students to connect history to their lived experiences. He shares suggestions for virtual teaching and teacher collaboration. Overview 00:00-00:47 Intros 00:47...
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