Ethical Schools
Ethical Schools
Amy and Jon talk with educational innovators about creating ethical learning environments, helping students overcome the effects of trauma, and empowering young people to make change. Tune in weekly.
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Jun 24, 2026
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Teaching differently about being “modern”: Questioning Western mindsets 14.07.2021 26:21
In our guest episode of Lev Moscow’s podcast, A Correction, Professor Walter Mignolo of Duke discusses decoloniality, a radically different way of thinking and teaching which rejects the “naturalness” of racial capitalism and its development. Lev and Dr. Mignolo discuss what this can look like in high school and college classrooms.
Addressing teachers’ trauma; plus, antiracist teaching in a white classroom 08.07.2021 40:11
We speak with Shayla Ewing , English and drama teacher in Pekin, Illinois, about supporting teachers experiencing secondary and primary trauma, which the pandemic intensified. We also talk about the how and why of teaching about white privilege in an all-white classroom. Overview 00:00-00:44 Intros 00:44-02:23 Becoming a Pekin High School English and drama teacher 02:23-03:40 Teach Plus Illinois...
The attack on public education: Will public schools survive? 01.07.2021 45:30
We speak with University of South Carolina law professor Derek Black about the history of education as a core government service and the current wave of voucher laws in red states. Professor Black argues that these will permanently reduce education funding levels and threaten the very existence of public schools. We also talk about the #RedforEd resistance and the need to substantially increase fu...
Authentic history: Too uncomfortable for white kids? 24.06.2021 27:45
We speak with Betty Collins , eighth grade teacher in Tulsa County, Oklahoma. Ms. Collins speaks about conservatives’ hostility to Critical Race Theory, which looks at the role of systemic racism in US history. We discuss a just-enacted law in Oklahoma that tries to ban teaching history that may make any students “uncomfortable” and how unions and educators are responding. Overview 00:00-00:46 Int...
Air quality in schools: At the intersection of technology and equity 16.06.2021 39:15
We speak with Anisa Heming and Corey Metzger of the U.S. Green Building Council and ASHRAE about a new report on schools’ efforts around the country to protect against COVID-19 by improving indoor air quality. Like so much else about schools, air quality comes down to resources, in this case, for infrastructure and maintenance. Also, there has been no central source of reliable information for dis...
Holistic education: Joy, wellness, and rigor 10.06.2021 50:01
We speak with Dr. Linda Nathan of the Center for Artistry and Scholarship and the Perrone-Sizer Institute for Creative Leadership about her experience in creating progressive schools. Dr. Nathan says all teachers, no matter their subject areas, should have expertise in teaching reading and students with moderate disabilities. The arts are central to her educational vision. Dr. Nathan talks about h...
Black men as teachers: Recruitment, retention, development, empowerment 03.06.2021 51:43
We speak with Dr. Daman Harris and Dr. Inger Swimpson of Building Our Network of Diversity, the BOND Project, in Montgomery County MD, which provides spaces for Black and Latino men to support one another in their teaching and their lives. Although having Black teachers benefits Black and white children alike, U.S. schools have few Black teachers, and even fewer Black men. BOND works to make sch...
Creating antiracist classrooms: Listening and other essential skills 27.05.2021 49:30
We speak with Dr. Steven Cohen of Tuft’s Department of Education about helping teachers to think critically about race and class. He talks about the importance of listening to students over time, even watching the media they watch, to get a better understanding of their life experiences. He describes how to create fair strategies for resolving conflicts and for grading and he explains how to intr...
Critical analysis: not just for students 20.05.2021 33:30
We speak with Dr. Sam Abrams of the National Center for the Study of Privatization in Education (NCSPE) at Teachers College, Columbia University. Dr. Abrams describes his analyses of statistics released by local and national education systems and widely disseminated by the media. Sometimes the reports are wrong or misleading, which can have serious consequences for students. We also talk about som...
Building communities of trust: transforming family-school relationships 12.05.2021 43:34
We talk with Dr. Ann Ishimaru of the University of Washington about correcting the power imbalance between schools and low-income families and families of color. We also discuss “learning loss” and why families of color are much more reluctant than white families to return to in-person learning as the pandemic eases. Overview 00:00-00:42 Intros 00:42-01:47 Disjuncture between theory and practice...
Creative problem solving: Developing solutionary thinkers 06.05.2021 45:45
We welcome back Zoe Weil , of the Institute for Humane Education, along with Laura Trongard , Oceanside (NY) High School teacher to discuss how teachers are implementing IHE’s Solutionary program. Laura describes how students adopt habits of solutionary thinking in their schoolwork and their lives. Zoe talks about IHE’s new micro-credential program, an online course that prepares teachers to use...
Research in schools (Part 2): Safeguarding the data 28.04.2021 20:00
We continue our conversation with Marianna Azar , director of NYC Department of Education’s Institutional Review Boards (IRBs). This week, Ms. Azar discusses the potential privacy dangers created by collection and dissemination of research data, strategies to combat them, and the need to strengthen the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). References Click here to listen to the fir...
Students as subjects: Ethical considerations of research in schools 21.04.2021 41:41
We talk with Marianna Azar , Director and Chair of the NYC DOE’s Institutional Review Boards. The IRBs review all research proposals conducted through the schools to make sure they are conducted ethically and that the benefits to the students outweigh any burdens. In Part 1 of a 2-part interview, Ms. Azar describes how the IRBs work and their impact on researchers, schools, students and parents. N...
Ethical outreach: a parent coordinator anchors immigrant families 14.04.2021 37:00
We speak with Herminia (Ita) Saldana , parent coordinator at MS 328, a middle school in Washington Heights, Manhattan. Every public school in NYC has a parent coordinator. Virtually all of the MS 328 students are current English Language Learners or have tested out of ELL status. As parent coordinator, Ita encourages and facilitates parent engagement as both advocate and navigator. She also helps ...
Making antiracist change: A template for educational leaders 08.04.2021 36:00
We speak with Dr. Sarah Diem of University of Missouri and Dr. Anjalé Welton of University of Wisconsin, Madison . They discuss the seemingly neutral “colorevasive” policies that actually reinforce racial inequity. Drs. Diem and Welton present an action protocol for school and district leaders who seek to create antiracist schools. Overview 00:00-00:51 Intros 00:51-02:38 Educational policies fram...
Grief and loss: Supporting students, families, and teachers in a pandemic (encore) 31.03.2021 29:56
As of today, March 31st, 2021, over 550,000 Americans have died of COVID-19. We’re reposting our conversation with Cynthia Trapanese former grief counselor, now teacher, who explains that the adults in a school need to grapple with their own losses in order to help children and families. Cynthia Trapanese, a teacher who spent 17 years as a pediatric chaplain, observes that we are all grieving righ...
Exacerbating inequality: Private money in public schools 25.03.2021 43:30
We speak with Dr. Sue Winton of York University in Toronto about the effects of private money–much of it from parents–that replaces decreased public funding of schools. Fundraisers and fees for special programs benefit affluent schools and the children who already have the most access to opportunities. Low income parents often feel pressure to donate beyond their means for their children’s sake. ...
Shared visions: Creating an abolitionist school culture 18.03.2021 37:45
We continue our conversation with Grace Alli Brandstein , a school improvement and instructional coach supporting struggling high schools in the Bronx. This week, Ms. Brandstein focuses on humane, antiracist education, and explains Dr. Gholdy Muhammad’s construct of literacy as identity, skills, intellect, criticality, and joy. She also speaks about the conditions for successful adult learning, gi...
The bigger picture: High school improvement in the Bronx 11.03.2021 40:30
We speak with Grace Alli Brandstein , an improvement and instructional coach with the New York City Department of Education. Ms. Brandstein works with Bronx high schools that the State has designated as needing support. This is part one of a two part interview. Today, we discuss challenges teachers and students at these schools face, and their everyday achievements. Ms. Brandstein talks about the...
Toward antiracism: The evolution of an undergraduate teacher ed program 04.03.2021 21:59
We speak with Dr. Marsha Daria of Western Connecticut State University. Dr. Daria teaches undergraduate courses in the Department of Education and Educational Psychology. She explains how in the aftermath of George Floyd’s murder, the department reconfigured its curriculum to center social justice, equity, and self-reflection. She discusses the department’s recruitment initiatives to increase teac...
Teaching the “isms”: Students’ lived experiences in context 25.02.2021 43:15
We speak with Jillian McRae and Sam North, English and history teachers at Ossining (NY) High School, and their student, Alaysha . For 15 years, Sam and Jillian have co-taught a college-level course called “racism, sexism, and classism: a popular approach.” They focus on pervasive systems of power, and encourage students to discuss their own experiences of privilege, disadvantage, and intersectio...
Antiracist school leadership: Courage and commitment 17.02.2021 42:30
Dr. Bradley Carpenter , associate professor of educational leadership at Baylor University, speaks about developing and supporting antiracist school principals. Very few leadership prep programs prioritize or embed antiracism principles or practices. A principal committed to centering antiracism needs to have a full equity audit of existing curriculum and practices and to lead faculty members thro...
Early childhood education: It is play, but it is not “babysitting” 11.02.2021 29:00
We speak with Michele Washington , longtime early childhood lecturer at Lehman College, about expertise at the preschool level. Head Start, pre-K, and 3-K teachers can support children and families in myriad ways once parents or guardians trust them. Cultural humility is essential; teachers need to understand and respect their children’s families and communities. Overview 00:00-00:57 Intros 00:57...
Student record privacy: Danger looms from police and hackers 04.02.2021 40:30
We speak with Mark Lieberman , Education Week tech reporter. Pasco County FL schools give the sheriff records of students deemed “destined to a life of crime.” NYS Education Department funded facial recognition of school visitors to schools. Hackers hold district data hostage for ransom. We discuss legal and ethical privacy issues in the age of tech, including the dilemmas for teachers if a “D” le...
Districtwide decisions: Day to day ethical considerations 27.01.2021 34:00
We speak with Dan Callahan , Assistant Superintendent for Secondary Education in Peekskill City School District, 45 minutes north of Manhattan. The low-income district in wealthy Westchester is 70% Latino, including many students from immigrant families. We discuss how the district has adapted to rapid demographic changes and schools’ role in helping students meet challenges. Mr. Callahan reflects...
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