Nazzie Pater-Rov

Educational Diagnosticians

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May 17, 2026

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Helter Skelter: When RTI & Childfind Collide | Torin Togut 17.05.2026

Lawyer, Torin Togut, explains the difference between RTI and the need to refer to special education, as he described in his article linked below. This paper aligns with the guidance given when Texas was under corrective action for Childfind. These two services are not exclusive. He also describes the basic elements of any RTI program. Here's a link to his article.

Don't Be Quiet, Start a RIOT | Nazzie Pater-Rov 03.05.2026

What do you do when you know the instructional experiences and the interventions for a child you are testing are not ideal? We explore the RIOT and ICEL matrix for creating the right blurbs for talking about this in your FIE. See this link for some examples. Here's a link for the AIR resource . Here's one from Intervention Central's website . Minnesota resource link . Related Books: Un...

Eye of the Tiger: Driving Math Instruction | Robin Codding, PhD. 19.04.2026

Dr. Robin Codding tells us how we can test for math disabilities and drive instruction at the same time- the Evidence-Based way! 1. Codding, R. S., Nelson, G., Kiss, A. J., Shin, J., Goodridge, A., & Hwang, J. (2025). A Meta-Analysis of the Relations Between Curriculum-Based Measures in Mathematics and Criterion Measures. School Psychology Review, 54(3), 275–290. https://doi.org/10.1080/237296...

TX Dyslexia Policy Changes: Where Do We Go From Here? | Michelle Simmons & Mikyung Shin 22.03.2026

More concerning trends in the Texas special education populations. Dyslexia Identification: https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1441293 Trends In Rates: https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ1291402 Texas Special Education Report: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED677545.pdf

School Psyched! for NASP: Can't Stop the Feeling | Eric Elias 08.03.2026

Eric Elias is a co-host of the School Psyched! Podcast, and was School Psychologist of the year this year. He shares the hot topics discussed at NASP this year, and we discuss his article: Muddled Measurement : https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350098337_Muddled_Measurement_A_Historical_Perspective_on_Questionable_Practices_in_School_Psychology's_Assessment_of_Learning_Disabilities#full...

Texas Under Pressure | Mahnaz Pater-Rov 08.02.2026

In this episode, we talk about some trend in special education populations in Texas. We used reports from DeMatthews et al. (2025) as a springboard for our discussion. https://texaserc.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Texas_Special_Ed_Report_4.4.2025.pdf https://tea.texas.gov/about-tea/news-and-multimedia/annual-reports/annual-report

Does Normal Always = Not Disabled? | Nazzie Pater-Rov and the Gang 11.01.2026

Is there a time when something is not normal but it is also not a disability? Is there a time when something IS normal, but it is a disability? We tackle ideas about what it means to be disabled. It's not a simple as it seems.

Top 10 WJ V Take Away Tips | Becki Robertson 04.12.2025

Becki takes lists her top ten take away tips for the ways in which the new WJ V compares to previous versions of the test.

Dyslexia: The New Definition is Here!!! | Nazzie Pater-Rov and Followers 01.11.2025

Nazzie discusses the new definition of Dyslexia as published by the International Dyslexia Association with listeners. The discussion includes a summary of her publication that attempts to analyze and critique the Texas guidance documents against evidence-based assessment practices. Here's a link to the article: https://www.etamu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/2025-Pater-Rov-Tagged.pdf If you...

Mov'n on Up: No More Leveled Readers, No More Leveled Lives! | Timothy Shanahan 29.10.2025

Dr. Shanahan talks to us about how misinterpretations of reading theory by teachers may be limiting students' opportunities to develop literacy skills at higher levels. He's concerned about what happens after teacher help kids crack the code. Here's a link for purchasing Dr. Shanahan's book: Leveled Readers, Leveled Lives. Here's a link to Dr. Shanahan's blog.

Making Space for a Better Place with the CLD | Alyson Collins 15.10.2025

Dr. Collins has recently become the president elect of the Counsel on Learning Disabilities. Her research is about teaching writing. She's a CALT, so she understands the challenges of teaching those with dyslexia. From writing instruction, to the importance of evidence and the CLD's stance on diagnosing learning disabilities, she has a lot to share. The future of the CLD is in good hands w...

Way Out Here: Small Town, Big Challenges | Amy Rogers 01.10.2025

Dr. Amy Rogers is concerned about the challenges of the small town school districts. We chat about what those challenges are and how we can be resourceful when the odd are not in the favor of the small town school district.

Another Brick in the Wall of Education Systems: Disproportionality | Paul Morgan and Eric Hu 17.09.2025

Remember when Texas had a cap on the number of special education students who could be in special education? Dr. Morgan is the one who helped expose the harm of the cap. Dr. Morgan and Hu work for University at Albany’s Institute for Social and Health Equity. Time after time, they find that if there are 2 kids with the same reading or math struggles, the mainstream white student will be more likel...

Welcome to the Jungle: Organizing Informal Assessments | Tammy Stephens 03.09.2025

Dr. Tammy Stephens joins to tell us about professional judgment's role in determining disability and how organizing our informal data can help to improve that judgment. She has a new program called BOSCO that does just that. Here's the websight: https://www.jotform.com/customer-stories/bosco/

Just Because It Makes Sense Doesn't Mean It's True | Nazzie Pater-Rov & Amy Smith 20.08.2025

What would special education look like if it didn't include high incidence disabilities? Are you a preservist or a transformist? This one talks about the vision of special education. It reviews a book by Thomas Hehir, the director of OSEP for six years during the reauthorization of IDEA. His book is available on Amazon. https://a.co/d/13IJxrg

Special Education: Have We Lost Our Vision or Lead the Way? 06.08.2025

In this episode, diagnosticians discuss the vision of Special Education as seen through the perspective of Dr. Thomas Hehir, author of: New Directions in Special Education: Eliminating Ableism in Policy and Practice. Dr. Hehir was the head of OSEP during the time leading up to the re-authorization of IDEA in 2004. He was also the chair of Harvard's Ed. D. Special Education program for 20 years...

In Memory of Lynn Fuchs | Nazzie Pater-Rov 21.05.2025

Clubhouse members gather to discuss the contributions of Lynn Fuchs in memory of her at the time of her passing. She passed away on May 7, 2025. He leaves behind her husband, Doug, son, and grandson, in addition to numerous mentees and research colleagues. Her memory will live on in her contributions to CBM development, reading and math interventions, and the RTI model of SLD assessment. Here are...

Standing in the Hall of Fame of Literacy Leaders | Barbara Foorman 14.05.2025

Dr. Barbara Foorman, professor emeritus from Florida State University served on the National Reading Panel and is one of the most recognized researchers of reading. She joins to tell us about her latest study that compares using an evidence-based reading program and using a serious of various evidence-based interventions valid for specific skill development. Here are some links to references made...

Every Little Step They Take: A Skills-Based Math Assessment | Kathleen Pfannenstiel 07.05.2025

Amy Smith interviews Dr. Kathleen Pfannenstiel, from American Institutes of Research, about the evidence-based assessment of math. She talks the importance of independent research, the most common challenges for students with disabilities, and integrating CBM into our evaluations. She refers to several related resources listed below: Links:  Math Podcast Series Math Fact Fluency Norms: https://www...

High Hopes, Higher Standards in Special Ed. Endrew F. | Mitchell Yell 02.04.2025

Dr. Yell helps us to define "progress" as it has been described after Endrew F. v. Douglas County Schools (2017). Here's an article he wrote: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fa_ZgzItiGYJ0AMqRSy-MGBE_TzfuXJr/view?usp=sharing Here are some books he wrote: https://a.co/d/8iKAo8J https://a.co/d/8kBIyMd

Give it to me Straight from the Heart: TX State Guidance for SLD Evaluations | Candace Vielma & Nazzie Pater-Rov 19.03.2025

A new, revised version of the Guidance for the Comprehensive Evaluation of SLD in Texas is now available. We will get a training on this from TEA. In the mean time, Candace, Nazzie, and some others on Clubhouse discuss their impressions. Candace goes over her Top 10 Takeaways from reading the document. Here's a link to her notes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ZC1daO72dx0h8NT5vrG0QwqJ3qR...

How Specific Are LDs? One Thing Leads to Another! | Robin Peterson 27.02.2025

Dr. Robin Peterson is one of the authors of Diagnosing Learning Disorders: From Science to Practice. This group of researchers proposed a Multi-Deficit Model of learning disabilities, and their research influenced the way we think about Dyslexia. Here's a link to her book:https://a.co/d/diWPuRo Here's a link to her research article: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LChLzHx2K_t11XOgsbmFtV4i...

CBM as Easy as ABC! | Michelle Hosp 13.02.2025

Learning to use CBM has become a valuable skill. Michelle Hosp has made it easy by providing step by step guidance in her book: The ABC's of CBM. Here's a link to her book: https://www.guilford.com/books/The-ABCs-of-CBM/Hosp-Hosp-Howell/9781462524662?srsltid=AfmBOor87pNMcb5aSa0R5PqWD8NCZGYLimlMZEnKNHppdJJxPdUXQ-Qn You may also know her for her work with Renaissance Learning, an evidence-ba...

Reading's Gotta Be So...Smoooth! | Jan Hasbrouck & Gerry Tendal 30.01.2025

The Hasbrouck & Tindal (1992, 2006, 2017) norms revolutionized American education. These norms have helped us to understand the importance of reading fluency. https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED594994.pdf Check out Dr. Hasbrouck's & Dr. Glaser's book: https://www.benchmarkeducation.com/y35121-reading-fluency-understand-25e2-2580-2593-assess-25e2-2580-2593-teach-professional-learn...

Zombie IQ Discrepancies: What's In Your Head? | Linda Siegel 23.01.2025

Dr. Linda Siegel produced important research which helped her to illustrate that cognitive testing was not relevant to the diagnosis of dyslexia. She led the way to revisiting this finding when she edited a journal for the IDA asking for researchers to weigh in on IDA's definition of dyslexia. She's also well known for her books: Not Lazy, Not Stupid & Understanding Dyslexia and Other...

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