Down the Security Rabbithole Podcast (DtSR)

Prologue This week, Kim Lewandowski joins Rafal & James to talk about Google's latest contribution to the Open Source software movement - Supply-chain Levels for Software Artifacts (SLSA). We have a great conversation, and I hope you guys go watch the video (when it comes out) and check out the axe in the background. I never did find the interesting logo Kim talks about- maybe one of you...

Prologue This week, fresh off his Twitter rant, Travis McPeak joins Rafal to talk about the goat rodeo that vulnerability management in the enterprise. Travis talks about the multitude of reasons vulnerability management is so difficult, and what we can be done about the whole mess. Great episode, lots of great discussion and big thanks to Travis for the contribution to the topic. This needs more...

Prologue I have no excuses, and no ideas, how this show has made it so far without having the one and only JJ as a guest. She's been doing network security and architecture for a long time, in addition to being a force for good. Her focus on NAC (Network Access Control) shines through in this discussion too. Hilarity ensues. Guest Jennifer ("JJX") Minella LinkedIn: https://www.linke...

Prologue This week our pal and previous guest Patrick Miller joins us to talk about the power grid, current state of the thing, and what he's working on in the power generation and distribution sector. It's a strange place where 8" floppy disks and DOS 2.2 still live. Yeah, go search those, you think there's a 0-day for DOS 2.2? Guest Patrick C. Miller LinkedIn: https://www.lin...

Prologue This week our friend Ira Winkler joins Rafal & James to talk about the human element in cyber security. Ira, like us, absolutely loathes the phrase "stupid user" - so you'll want to hear what he's working on, and his comments on the space. Have something to say? Let's hear it. Support the show >>> Please consider clicking the link above to support the...

Prologue With all the craziness going on in the world, from terrorism, to catastrophically botched withdraws from a 20 year war, to the incredible proliferation of ransomware, and "cyber privateering" making a comeback in the news - it's as good a time as any to discuss open source intelligence, collection, and analysis. Aki is a guy who would know a little bit of something about th...

Prologue Let me start off by saying that this episode isn't about politics. It's about facts, claims made, and election security facts and myths. I want to thank Rob Graham for getting on the show and sharing his experience on short notice, and providing insights from Mike Lindell's "Symposium". It's truly eye-opening, and hopefully a conversation that strikes at the...

Prologue Thanks to Okta, for providing what is surely an entertaining (at least to record) and informative episode with some really cool guests. Bharat and John join James and Raf to talk about CIAM (a term Raf had to look up) and all things authentication history, past, and present. By the way, if you haven't registered, you should register for this very cool Okta Developer Day " Auth f...

Prologue Big thanks this week to OpenText for providing access to Fabian Franco (go check out his bio below). He joins James & Rafal to talk about protecting endpoints, and some of the interesting things that go along with state-of-the-art detection and response capabilities. Also, if you'd be so kind as to support those who keep this show going, go check out the OpenText link below and g...

Prologue This week we have the pleasure of having Kevin Pope, one of Raf's close and long-time friends, and someone who's had one heck of a journey into and through our industry. Kevin is a veteran, a security-curious, and  cyber security professional - and he's also got some metered opinions too. We discuss hiring, staffing, and some of the issues we've collectively - and he s...

Prologue Huge thanks to Prevailion's Karim Hijazi for taking the time with us to dissect this Gartner headline and article on "adversaries killing people using OT". As we expected, a sensationalist headline, followed by some mildly fluffy stuff, with a kernel of truth. Good discussion nonetheless, though, and I even learned a thing. Links The Gartner article referenced: https://www....

Prologue Frankly, we have no idea how we got through 450 episodes without interviewing Rich. No clue. Rich is a man of many talents including a trained responder for situations like we've been facing. He's also a cloud security specialist, and happens to do a half-dozen other things in his "spare time" too. In this episode we chat about what the pandemic has taught cyber securi...

Prologue It's been a long time, maybe forever, since James and I sat down and just chatted on the podcast. With all these amazing guests we have on the show it's easy to get caught up in the fun and forget to just have a two-person conversation every once in a while. With that in mind, we did it this week. We sat down, just the two of us, and chatted about the last few hundred episodes,...

Prologue Sean Scranton joins Shawn Tuma and myself to talk about cyber insurance, specifically, as it is a massive topic of discussion lately. Building on top of the "does cyber insurance even pay out?" question and exploring if cyber insurance will actually change the industry (as Jeremiah hints in episode 447 ) we traverse a lot of related topics and answer some good questions. This is...

Prologue Vulnerability Management has been a bit of a soapbox for me lately, and this episode brings in two experts on the topic directly from the enterprise to talk about how we prioritization, spreadsheets, and today's big vulnerability problem produces serious issues for enterprise professionals. The problem is as old as our profession, but in spite of the tools, testimonials, and hand-wav...

Prologue On this episode of the podcast I have the pleasure of hosting one of my long-time friends and industry titan - Dawn-Marie "Rie" Hutchinson. She's fresh off of a stint as a CISO, and talking about burnout in our industry and beyond. It's always a pleasure chatting with a friend, but this is an important topic so extra thanks for sharing her knowledge and insights with u...

Prologue My pal Rock has ventured off on his own, so I wanted to catch up with him and get a quick update on the state of business, but also get a sense for what he's seeing in the industry as he's advising companies and helping them through compliance and regulatory challenges. Fascinating conversation, always fun stuff.   Guest Rock Lambros LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rocklam...

Prolgue Ladies and Gentlemen - we've hit ** 450 ** episodes. Let me just take a moment and reflect on the number of awesome guests, long hours recording and editing, and all of you phenomenal fans and listeners spreading the show content. Episode 450 feels like the right one to drop an episode with one of my real-life best friends, British sensation, and perennial entrepreneur Vikas Bhatia. W...

Prologue In this episode, our legal eagle Shawn Tuma is back to discuss the Colonial Pipeline incident and whether it could be a watershed moment for US Cyber interests. As Toby Keith's "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue" plays in the background, we discuss what's happened, what could happen, and what it all means. Guest Shawn Tuma LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shawn...

Prologue You've GOT to hear this! This week on the podcast, I invited Martin Zizi of Aerendir, to talk about how we can use technology to not only distinguish between humans and non-humans (bots?) but also how to identify humans with staggering levels of precision - using  commonly available and inexpensive components . He's got humor, an eclectic background, and great knowledge of the t...

Prologue I don't know about you, but I have Jeremiah in a list on Twitter that allows me to read/think about some of the things he posts without the noise of the rest of Twitter. Should a company that develops software be held responsible when a bug they missed is exploited? Why do we "Agree" on all those click-through agreements which basically disavow any responsibility, anyway? W...

Prologue When in Austin, TX ... meet up with some friends right? This week I have the pleasure of sitting down in-person with Joel whom has been doing the "AppSec thing" for longer than many of you who are reading this have been in our profession. Joel knows a thing or two - so we discuss a thing or two. Philosophy, history, and some ugly truths come out in a conversation that can only h...

Prologue I honestly am having a difficult time understanding how this show has gone so long, so many episodes, without sitting down with Dave Marcus 1:1. It hurts my brain. So I rectified this situation and here you are. Dave is one of the best humans in the industry, has a few truckloads of knowledge, and you could stand to learn something from him. Give this episode a shot. Warning: Dave drops a...

Prologue I'm honored to have Gary McGraw on with James and myself on this episode. I hadn't realized, but Gary retired from (what was formerly) Cigital - and by retired I mean "started something new". Gary sucks at retirement, but he's brilliant and has a lot to say about machine learning and its applications, so you should  really listen in . No, "AI" isn't...

Prologue Chris Eng has been elbows deep in software security for a very long time. Times have changed over the last 20 years, as have tools, methods, and outcomes - what hasn't changed is how much security debt we keep amassing in our applications. How bad is the problem, and what can be done? Tune in and find out what we think. Guest Chris Eng LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-eng-...