Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams
Discourse in Magic
Jonah Babins from Discourse in Magic tackles magic’s hardest issues, theories, philosophies, discussion, and more to help you explore. He jumps into all sorts of magic, and resources, and most importantly actionable tips to help better the art and become a killer performer!
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Jonah Babins and Tyler Williams
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Jun 29, 2026
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Episodes
Social Media Magic with Dustin Dean 29.06.2023 1:01:06
Jonah is joined by Dustin Dean, an incredible mentalist who you may have seen on your TikTok feed. He has over half a million followers and countless videos with millions of views. In this conversation we’ll learn all about his success, how you can get into growing your social media presence, and how to thread the line between fooling your audience and being honest with them. The Mentalist on The...
Magic Appetizer: 3 Ways to Make 3k 22.06.2023 12:22
In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three ways that you can grow your business to making more than 3k a month in the next six months. In the past Jonah has taught master classes and entry-level classes for magicians looking to increase their business and in this episode he’s going to share his insights on the three biggest mistakes that new magicians make when starting their business and what...
Magic Appetizer: Three Notes on Creativity 15.06.2023 13:51
In this magic appetizer Jonah offers up three things that you may want to think about when you are creating magic, making routines, and putting stuff out in the world. #1: Clarity Comes from Action and Not Thought When you are coming up with an idea or when you are working on something, it rarely feels like you’re gaining ground when you are just sitting there thinking about stuff. You only...
Magic, Mindfulness, and Marketing with David Gerard 08.06.2023 2:13:38
Jonah is joined by David Gerard, a magician who started later in life after a career working in silicon valley marketing for startups. David’s unique background and experiences blends perfectly with Jonah’s interests and curiosity in this conversation that covers everything from how to face the harsh reality of criticism and examining what it feels like to be fooled, to discussions on marketing yo...
Magic Appetizer: How To Sell Out Your Show 01.06.2023 6:26
Today Jonah talks about how to sell tickets to your public magic show by offering up four ways that you can use to sell out your public ticketed magic show. Tip #1: Submit to Listings This is an easy one, an obvious one, and one that you should always be doing. submit to listings all over your city. There are journals, newspapers, online news places, places that actually have event submissions. If...
The World Champion of Magic with Markobi 25.05.2023 1:09:32
Jonah is joined by FISM winner Markobi where they talk all about what it takes to win a competition, what it’s like to work with a team, and what it’s like to work alone. Free Videos and Social Media Markobi learned his first magic tricks from those very same free youtube channels that magicians in the industry today can’t stand. From those videos he started following the names that kept showing u...
Mastermind Invitation 18.05.2023 2:51
Jonah invites you to join in on his mastermind course where you can scale up your magic business. Join The Mastermind Jonah is re-opening up the doors for the Mastermind this month, and he’s looking for five magicians who want to add 3k to 5k per month to their magic business in the next 90 days. All of the tips, all of the magician appetizers that you see coming out on this podcast, with practica...
Building Magical Relationships with Jason Suran 11.05.2023 1:11:25
Jonah is joined by Jason Suran who shares his advice on how to build lasting relationships to support your magic business. Jason is a mentalist based in New York and has done a ton of work on TV and company gigs and has even performed for four NBA teams. He gives us tips on how to grow a loyal group of clients and shares stories on what has gone great and what has gone wrong and takes us behind th...
Magic Appetizer: Dean Jackson’s 9 Word Email 04.05.2023 5:02
Jonah offers up the world’s shortest but most effective business tip towards booking a client. There is a very famous email in the world of marketing, called Dean Jackson’s 9 Word Email, and Jonah breaks down why it works so well and how you can adapt it to the world of magic. For more help like this be sure to sign up for Jonah’s e-mail at discourseinmagic.com/updates
Cheat, Sleights, and the Magic Circle with Laura London 27.04.2023 1:12:23
Laura London is a legend in the magic community. She’s been on Penn & Teller’s Fool Us and The Next Great Magician . She’s had her own show, Cheat , in the Edinburgh Fringe. She’s an Inner Magic Circle member of the Magic Circle and she shares her incredible story and upbringing into the way of magic and how you can build a show too. In this discussion Laura opens up about her early diagnose...
Magic Appetizer: Three Ways To Use AI In Your Magic Business 20.04.2023 9:53
Jonah dives into artificial intelligence and how it can potentially help you out with your magic business. In this magician’s appetizer he’ll touch on three ways to use AI in your magic business including how to fix your replies to clients, help drive more traffic to your website, and how maximize the effectiveness of your cold emails. You can check out ChatGPT right now, for free, and try these...
Creating Magic With Content with Todd Robbins 13.04.2023 1:45:30
This week Jonah is joined by sideshow and magic legend Todd Robbins. Todd has had an action packed career that has sent him around the the last of the sideshows to creating theatre productions alongside Teller to running what may be the greatest magic show that has ever existed, Speakeasy Magic at the McKittrick Hotel . In this conversation Todd shares with Jonah how he ended up learning sideshow...
Unlocking Your Magic Creativity with Kim Andersen 06.04.2023 1:00:53
Jonah connects with Kim Andersen, a comedy magician from Denmark who has created some unforgettable magic products. In this conversation he’ll share with Jonah how he found himself immersed in the Danish magic scene, how he found himself creating content for his own television show, how he goes about challenging himself to keep creating, and why he always carries coins into the shower. Wrap-...
Never Before Seen Magic with Tobias Dostal 30.03.2023 1:23:49
This week Jonah connects with magic inventor and creative genius Tobias Dostal. Tobias is creating stuff that is not unlike anything you have ever seen before with tricks like Silhouette , Ping , and Stay Cool . In this conversation Tobias shares with Jonah his background in visual arts, his love of photography, and how he was able to use his unique background and interests to carve a new path for...
Magic Appetizer: Touring, Conventions, and Growing Your Business 23.03.2023 23:54
Jonah is back with all new episodes of Discourse in Magic! After taking time off after the busy holiday season, Jonah has been busy touring and attending events around the country and beyond. In this episode he’ll catch you up on his lecture and performance tours as well as filling you in on his experiences attending Magifest and Blackpool . Jonah will also offer up tips on how to launch you...
Magic for the Crowd with Siegfried & Joy 17.11.2022 1:05:50
Jonah is joined by Siegfried & Joy. This duo from Germany has been taking the world by storm with their silly and engaging TikTok videos, an hilarious performance on America’s Got Talent, and sold out shows wherever they go. They’ll reveal to Jonah all of their secrets, except where they get their fabulous outfits! More Than A Parody When you first see Siegfried & Joy appear on stage...
How We Got On Fool Us 10.11.2022 53:36
Jonah and Ben answer all your questions about how they got their appearance on Penn and Teller’s Fool Us, and how you can get yours too. How Did We Get On? Ben had actually been approached before as his name was passed around as a potential candidate, but back then when he applied they declined. As years went on and Jonah and Ben found themselves locked down together during the pandemic they decid...
Fool Us, Starring Jonah Babins and Ben Train! 03.11.2022 1:45
This week Jonah wants you to do one thing, which is to watch him and Ben Train perform on Pen & Teller’s Fool Us which airs for the first time on Friday November 4th, 2022!
Aiming Higher with Mortenn Christiansen 27.10.2022 1:03:06
Mortenn Christiansen is a Danish magician who recently won first place at FISM 2022 for comedy. He shares with Jonah his story about growing up without any magicians around him to aim higher and farther than even he originally thought he could accomplish. A Kid and a Magic Shop Mortenn was twelve when he discovered his local magic shop, eventually spending so much time there that they would offer...
Magic Appetizer: How To Get Extra Leads 13.10.2022 11:13
Jonah shares with you his secrets on how to get an extra 50 to 250 leads in Q4, the busiest time for a magician. The information in this episode comes directly from a two hour workshop that Jonah hosted. There are three simple things that you can do to earn you extra quality leads and in less then ten minutes you’ll be all caught up and ready to tackle the season ahead. If you don’t wa...
Creating to Problem Solve with Franco Pascali 06.10.2022 56:43
This week Jonah connects with cardistry legend Franco Pascali. Franco is an amazing magician, thinker, and creator and he’ll share his secrets on how he develops his skills and grows his communities. Seeing Magic Young Magic found Franco when he would spend time with his fathers friends when they were playing card games. Even though none of these friends were magicians they all knew one basi...
Magic Appetizer: Past, Present, and Your Future 29.09.2022 11:38
Jonah is back with an update on all the places he’s been since the last podcast update and brings with him some tips for you as magicians enter their busiest time of the year. Since the last time you heard from him Jonah has been all around the world, he attended the FISM 2022 World Cup in Quebec, he’s been to Barcelona, Israel, and Chicago. He shares all about his travels, what he lea...
Becoming a Magic Consultant with Blake Vogt 07.07.2022 1:11:49
Jonah connects with magic consultant Blake Vogt. Together they walk through how to be creative, how to work with a team, and Blake shares some incredible stories from his time as a magic consultant. Dropping School To Work In Magic Blake loves telling the story of how he first came to learn about magic. It was at a Pizza Hut and there was a magician moving through the restaurant performing for the...
Seeking Magic Inspiration with Kevin Li 30.06.2022 52:06
This week Jonah connects with Kevin Li. Kevin is a two-time contestant on Fool Us, and a prolific social media magician who expanded his business into virtual performances. Throughout this conversation he offers up tips on how to build your brand, your identity, and your magic from influences outside of the magical realm. A Walking Marketer Kevin Li was lucky enough to get his start learning abou...
Curiosity, Collections, & Community with Mark Desouza 26.05.2022 1:18:20
This week Jonah connects with Mark Desouza. Mark might be one of the most well connected magicians around with a deep curiosity of the art of magic and an even deeper collection of magic props. Magic Communities Mark Desouza has a reputation for knowing everyone and having a foot in both classic and modern worlds of magic. He opens up with Jonah about how he first connected with the community at h...
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