SPES - Sustainability Performance, Evidence and Scenarios

Directions: Navigating Beyond-GDP Futures

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Directions: Navigating Beyond GDP Futures explores the interconnections between economic growth, human flourishing, and sustainability. The podcast is produced under the framework of the project SPES, whose objective is to better understand the interconnections between economic growth, human flourishing, and sustainability. The ambition is to equip policymakers with information that will guide their strategies for fostering sustainable human development. Guest speakers are: Kaushik BasuRomina BoariniPedro ConceiçãoMarc FleurbaeyEnrico GiovanniniClara MatteiShahra Razavi

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Jan 8, 2026

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How do we convince institutions to definitely go beyond-GDP? with Enrico Giovannini 08.01.2026

In this episode, we discuss with Prof. Enrico Giovannini, full professor in Economic Statistics at the University of Rome Tor Vergata and member of the UN High-Level Expert Group on Beyond-GDP, on how to convince policymakers, nationalstatistical institutes, citizens and media to definitively go beyond-GDP focusing their efforts on Sustainable and Inclusive Wellbeing . Directions – Navigating Beyo...

The urgency of fostering Sustainable Human Development with Kaushik Basu 08.01.2026

In this episode, we discuss with Kaushik Basu (professor in Economics at Cornell University and co-chair of the UN High-Level Expert Group on Beyond-GDP) on the urgency of fostering Sustainable Human Development across the world, based on only new theories and metrics, but mostly a renewed moral commitment by policy-makers and citizens. Directions – Navigating Beyond GDP Futures is a podcast serie...

The stories behind indicators with Pedro Conceição 08.01.2026

In this episode, we focus on indicators. Together with Pedro Conceição (Director of the Human Development Report Office of the United Nations Development Programme), we try to go beyond the simple interpretation of indicators asnumbers to discover what they actually tell us about specific situations and societies. These stories that lie beneath indicators inform on the challenges that real people...

Is reaching a consensus to go beyond-GDP possible? with Romina Boarini 08.01.2026

In this episode, we investigate with Romina Boarini (Director of the OECD WISE Centre) how to trigger a consensus to go beyond GDP and foster Sustainable and Inclusive Wellbeing , taking into account technical, policy and public domains. Directions – Navigating Beyond GDP Futures is a podcast series that explores the interconnections between economic growth, human flourishing, and sustainability....

Why is universal social protection fundamental for the future of our societies? with Shahra Razavi 08.01.2026

In this episode, together with Shahrashoub Razavi, Director of the Social Protection Department at the International Labour Organisation, we delve deeper on the meaning of universal social protection, its role as a fundamental human right, its links to gender equality, climate action, and economic transformation, and why it is central to the future of our societies . Directions – Navigating Beyond...

Exploring the fallacy of the capitalist economic system with Clara Mattei 08.01.2026

In this episode, together with Professor Clara Mattei Professor of Economics at The University of Tulsa and President of FREE – Forum for Real Economic Emancipation), we unpack the limits of economic growth and the deep structural failures of our current economic system. We also explore the inputs that are needed to trigger a systemic change towards a new concept of productivity and sustainability...

Tackling today’s multiple crisis with an integrated perspective with Marc Fleurbaey 08.01.2026

In this episode, we explore the complex concept of social progress with Professor Marc Fleurbaey, Paris School of Economics. We try to understand why it matters for fosteringsustainability and shaping the future, and how it can help tackle today’s multiple crisis, and the crucial role of measurement in understanding and driving meaningful change.  Directions – Navigating Beyond GDP Futures is a po...

Directions: Navigating Beyond-GDP Futures 08.01.2026

Directions: Navigating Beyond GDP Futures is podcast series that explores the interconnections between economic growth, human flourishing, and sustainability. The podcast is produced under the framework of the project SPES - Sustainability Performances, Evidence and Scenarios. The objective of the project is to better understand the interconnections between economic growth, human flourishing, and...

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