Different with Steve Chalke and Jill Rowe

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke about Oasis being 40 years old. It was so much fun looking back over those 40 years together. So many people, so much learning and so much joy. What we discover through all of it is the value of having purpose and meaning and the belief that your life counts and that the way of Jesus is summed up in loving others as we love ourse...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke about the reality of inclusion. This conversation is a big one, and so timely.  We talk about the power of loving our enemies and how it's us who's transformed when we do that, when it is easy to blame and other others, when we explore the better way and what it looks like to live in the reality of truly belonging to each ot...

There is a lot going on in life at the moment, both generally and in politics and globally. All of this can feel overwhelming and heavy. My name's Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about how we can not just make sense of things, but how we can also find our way through and be people who keep moving forward. We explore the ideas of perspective and cho...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about how leadership is all about the granular, and not the hype. We chat through where our model for what great leadership comes from, and what it looks like in practice, and together we reflect on some of the trappings that those who find themselves carrying the responsibility of leadership might get caught up in things li...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke explore how life's just far too short for holding grudges. It's too short to miss precious moments, too short to only care about ourselves, and far too short to spend excessive amounts of time scrolling our phones. We explore why we might do these things in the first place. Even just chatting about all this stuff gave us both the...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about another one of the Oasis 9 habits, this time being patient. From starting with a realisation, from being in a dentist's chair to understanding that life is not meant to be done continually at high speed, we explore how patience can be the teacher of wisdom. The will help us to do life well. We see the great depth in th...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk all about being honest. They talk about the ZOUD, the zone of uncomfortable discussion, and we try to understand why we sometimes dance around being honest and the overwhelming feeling of fearing disconnection from others if we choose honesty as our path. And in a world where honesty can seem in short supply, we can't help b...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke about what it means to be considerate. Strangely, it's a word that we don't hear or think about that often. But through their chat, we see that to consider is perhaps one of the most powerful ways to transform our way of behaving in the world. To consider the other, to pay attention to, to have our eyes on the needs of others. It...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about finding the joy, sharing the words of a friend who's described joy as basic to us as oxygen. They discuss where we find joy and the way we cultivate being joyful in life. They seek to understand the difference it can make to us personally and also in our relationships. And they go right back to basics when we recognise...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke go big on Christmas. From their favourite Christmas movies to the most random of gifts they've given, to the power of the Christmas story, as they explore it as the greatest revolution the world has ever seen, and ever been invited to participate in.  They see it as the ultimate peace plan where love wins. There was a whole...

My name is Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke all about rejection. This is a significant topic that evokes profound emotions. Together, we explore the difference it makes when we acknowledge the way rejection can make us feel, and we consider how we can find a way through it. We discuss discovering both a new way of seeing and a greater expansiveness...

My name is Jill Rowe, and in this episode of the Different podcast, I chat with Steve Chalke about three more things we wish we could tell our younger selves. From winning looking like you're losing, to closing both eyes and seeing with the other one. This episode was so much fun to make; we hope and pray that, amongst our conversation, you are able to find a little bit of treasure that will help...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about being self controlled, beginning with reminiscing about an old school assembly. This is an honest conversation and one that takes us into so many areas of life. We discover that being self controlled isn't solely about not doing certain things. It's also about choosing and being intentional, about living in a certain d...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about being compassionate. From realising that compassion means to suffer with, we explore how it is the action that can save us and transform us both individually and as a global family. We see that ultimately, life isn't about the survival of the fittest, but the survival of the friendliest. From neuroscience to geopolitic...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about being humble, which is one of the Oasis 9 Habits. Through our conversation, we recognise that being humble is so very different to what people often think. It is so far from being a doormat for others to walk over. We explore how it begins with curiosity and growing self awareness, and it results in a depth of pea...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke chat about one of the Oasis 9 Habits: being hopeful. From starting with the beauty of white hair through to the wisdom of St Augustine of Hippo, from recognising the world of difference between wishful thinking and the fierce reality of hope, we talk about how hope sweats as we take the steps needed to bring about the better futu...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke chat about some things they wish they'd known when they were younger. What is it that they would most want to say to their younger selves? What are the bits of wisdom they think might have helped them? As they chatted, they reflected on the kinds of things others have said to them, the choices they made, and how those choices hav...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about why we sometimes struggle to ask for help, opting instead to deflect and blame rather than being vulnerable and asking for the help and support we need. From compression socks to the importance of boundaries and knowing ourselves so that we can be honest in our interactions and expectations, this conversation was full...

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalk and Jill Rowe discuss the interplay between purpose and vision in personal and professional contexts. They argue that purpose goes beyond motivation and is rooted in a deeper sense of meaning and fulfilment, while vision provides direction for achieving goals. They emphasise the importance of recognising how each person contributes to a shared v...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke discuss the concept of 'thin places,' where the divide between heaven and earth disappears, offering a chance to encounter the divine in everyday life. They talk about how these thin places give us respite and perspective, and through our conversation, we come to see that each day, place and person holds the possibility where we...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Jill Rowe and Steve Chalke talk about Oasis Restore, the first ever secure school in this country. Built on a trauma-informed therapeutic model, we chat about believing that relentless love underpins everything, and recognise that this approach should always be the approach. So how do we make relentless love our strategy when others believe that love is ea...

In this episode of the Different podcast, I talk with Steve Chalke about shame and guilt. We chat about an experience at an AA meeting, and what a revelation it was of honesty and hope. We explore how shame can cause us to feel unworthy and even paralyse us. Guilt, on the other hand, we see can motivate and move us towards transformation, and making amends. And together we explore more about belie...

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about why lament really matters, especially when we are surrounded on every side by seeming chaos. and the 24 hour news cycle. We chat about how to find our way when things seem out of control. And we think about discovering a healthy practice of lemon, through which we can help and support one another. As we go through disruption....

In this episode of the Different podcast, Steve Chalke and I talk about the human instinct to keep our distance from what is hard or challenging or doesn’t make sense. Via talk of playing hockey, having asthma, and wondering how God would figure in a game of Top Trumps, we chat about the way some beliefs leave us unable to manage the joy and pain of life and actually cause us harm rather than help...

In this episode of the Different podcast Steve Chalke and I explore how are struggle to like and love others is connected to our struggle to like and love ourselves. We talk about the work of the philosopher, Martin Buber, and reflect on a tweet from Elmo of Sesame Street fame. We explore the impact that knowing we are loved by others can have on what we believe about ourselves. And, reflecting on...