Justin Kempf
Democracy Paradox
Is it possible for a democracy to govern undemocratically? Can the people elect an undemocratic leader? Is it possible for democracy to bring about authoritarianism? And if so, what does this say about democracy? My name is Justin Kempf. Every week I talk to the brightest minds on subjects like international relations, political theory, and history to explore democracy from every conceivable angle. Topics like civil resistance, authoritarian successor parties, and the autocratic middle class challenge our ideas about democracy. Join me as we unravel new topics every week.
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Jul 8, 2026
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Christophe Jaffrelot on Narendra Modi and Hindu Nationalism 13.07.2021 49:47
The police is even acting directly against the minorities and the Delhi riots of 2020 showed that the police could be on their side in the street in their rioting activities. This is exactly the same in other BGP ruled states like Uttar Pradesh. Now you have indeed a kind of new shift, if you want. It's not only with the blessing of the state. It’s also with the active participation of the st...
Jan-Werner Müller on Democracy Rules 06.07.2021 48:11
It really matters how you set up conflict and how you talk about the issue and above all how you talk about your adversary. That's where I see the decisive difference between those who tend to invoke the people, the common good and et cetera, in a way that is compatible with democracy and then those who talk in a way that, ultimately, is bound to be dangerous for democracy. Jan-Werner Müller...
Dorothy Sue Cobble on the Full Rights Feminists 29.06.2021 50:42
They wanted the full array of rights. Political rights, yes, they were active in the suffrage movement, but they also wanted economic rights and social rights. They wanted to lessen inequalities. They also wanted the rights of mothers and of children advanced. Dorothy Sue Cobble A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . Dorothy Sue Cobble is the Distinguished Professor of Histor...
Freedom House: Sarah Repucci Assesses Freedom in the World 22.06.2021 43:29
Democracy is about more than elections. Election day is very important, but what is happening in the country every other day is an integral part to what a democracy is and if you think about the fundamental freedoms that we think of in our own democracy: free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association and assembly, also things like the independence of the judiciary, these are all things t...
Michael Miller on the Unexpected Paths to Democratization 15.06.2021 45:34
So many cases of democratization start with these episodes and this period of elite political violence where the initial stages of it have nothing to do with democratization. People are not aiming for that. People are barely even thinking about it. It's all about this elite political struggle and out of that chaos a bit later you get democracy. Michael Miller A full transcript is available at...
Daniel Carpenter Revisits the Petition in 19th Century America 08.06.2021 46:47
The idea of a political system is not simply to be efficient. It's to have justice. It's to have the idea that anybody can come to the seat of power and say, 'Here are my grievances,' and that doesn't mean that by making that claim, they will get exactly what they want. But it does mean that they will get a hearing and in that notion, I think, lies again, a certain part of...
Sebastian Strangio Explains the Relationship Between China and Southeast Asia 01.06.2021 45:01
The experience of Western colonization has imprinted all of these nations in profound ways and it's tended to inculcate a sort of skepticism about Western invocations of democracy and the rule of law. China, of course, shares a similar skepticism. China was also not formerly colonized, or not fully colonized by Western powers, but it experienced what the Chinese communist party likes to term...
Can America Preserve Democracy without Retreating from it? Robert C. Lieberman on the Four Threats 25.05.2021 48:38
Racism and racial conflict are always there, always a powerful and important part of American politics. But when they combine with polarization, with this kind of partisan antagonism, and when that becomes the dividing line between the parties, that's really dangerous. That's what happened in the 1850s. It led to civil war. That's what happened in the 1890s. It led to violent confli...
Kurt Weyland Distinguishes Between Fascism and Authoritarianism 18.05.2021 53:57
In the 19th century Europe had thought that they had moved towards liberalism, enlightenment, rationality, progress, that stuff like mass warfare was over and it wouldn't come back. And then you have four years of senseless, mass slaughter, they just totally destroyed or challenged those ideas of humankind getting better off, progress of humankind getting more civilized. In retrospect, it&apo...
James Loxton Explains Why Authoritarian Successor Parties Succeed in Democracies 11.05.2021 54:44
They really view their history as one of victimization, one of struggle and even martyrdom. ARENA had multiple leaders assassinated. Again, that version of history that I just told you, that's not necessarily my view. But I do actually believe that that is their sincere belief and it makes for a really compelling founding myth if you will. And I think that founding myth has helped to hold bot...
Derek W. Black Says Public Education Represents the Idea of America... Not its Reality 04.05.2021 51:55
I find it hard to believe, without a lot more justification than they're offering that somehow that there's this new secret sauce to opportunity and equality and democracy that does not involve public education as the fundamental pillar. So you have people arguing that it's not. They're not saying we want to destroy democracy, but I'm saying, you as reader, you as listener...
Sheryl WuDunn Paints a Picture of Poverty in America and Offers Hope for Solutions 27.04.2021 47:18
That's why all Americans should care. Because the cost of poverty is not just the cost to that person who is in poverty. It's a cost to all of society. We're all paying for people being jailed. We're all paying for extra costs in the legal system, in the police force, in the healthcare system. Sheryl WuDunn A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . Key Highli...
Mike Hoffman on How Religious Identities Influence Support for or Opposition to Democracy 20.04.2021 54:13
Doctrine is actually often a lot looser and more subject to interpretation than we tend to assume and the way that the doctrine gets interpreted is often partially a function of group interests themselves. If you have a religious group in a given country that believes it would benefit from democracy, it's pretty likely that that group will find a way to interpret and frame its doctrine in a w...
Shari Davis Elevates Participatory Budgeting 13.04.2021 52:58
Participatory budgeting is actually about connecting folks with the skills and resources to navigate and shape government. And so, for me, that is the most optimistic and the most important outcome of any participatory budgeting process. Shari Davis A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . Key Highlights Include A walk through the process of participatory budgeting with an exam...
Chris Bickerton Defines Technopopulism 06.04.2021 43:22
That tension between the politics of the whole and the politics of the part, that tension between the politics of generality and the politics of particularity, is really at the heart of party democracy. What we are sort of trying to capture, I suppose, with technopopulism is to think of a form of politics where that tension has simply gone. Chris Bickerton A full transcript is available at www.dem...
Ross Benes on Nebraska and Rural Conservatism 30.03.2021 45:51
The legislature is one of several examples of our history of being independent which is why I think it was such an important story to tell of Nebraska becoming like baptized into Republican orthodoxy. Because seeing that shift. That it wasn't always that way. We founded Arbor day in this state, we settle a lot of refugees per capita, we increased minimum wage, and Medicaid through ballot meas...
Chad Alan Goldberg on the Wisconsin Idea and the Role of the Public University in a Democracy 23.03.2021 53:21
They had an obligation to take the knowledge that they were developing, to take their expertise and put it in the service of the community as a whole and the service of its elected leaders. Chad Alan Goldberg A Fulll Transcript is Available at www.democracyparadox.com . At the turn of the twentieth century, Wisconsin was at the forefront of the Progressive Movement. Wisconsin adopted the first mod...
Elizabeth Nugent on Polarization, Democratization and the Arab Spring 16.03.2021 51:47
The focus on the individual people involved in this moment and their preexisting relationships for me is a new way of thinking about democratic transitions. Because I think we see how much these personal relationships and personal histories matter for whether or not they can make these really big, important decisions at a moment of very high stress, very little information. Elizabeth Nugent A full...
Ryan Salzman is an Evangelist for Placemaking 09.03.2021 51:26
Like so many things we're coming to grips with now in the 21st century, we're realizing that the 20th century was the anomaly. We feel like what was happening in the first 20 years of the 21st century that that was the anomaly. But it's not. The 20th century was the anomaly. And there's a temptation among policymakers to say, ‘But this is how it's always been.’ No. Wrong....
Kajri Jain Believes Democracy Unfolds through the Aesthetic 02.03.2021 57:10
"We don’t pay enough attention to the sensory aspects of what it means to be equal. That’s what it fundamentally is. That’s the presupposition of democracy. Not the goal. The presupposition is that we are equal, but does our comportment reinforce that or does it re-institute hierarchies." Kajri Jain A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . This week’s guest is Kajri J...
Nic Cheeseman and Gabrielle Lynch on the Moral Economy of Elections in Africa 23.02.2021 45:33
A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . It’s common for Westerners to lecture Africans about democracy. Most Africans will admit their different political systems have many problems. Money is exchanged for votes, elections are rigged, and sometimes violence even breaks out. But the challenges African countries face in the process of democratization are not absent in the rest o...
Thomas Carothers and Andrew O'Donohue are Worried About Severe Polarization 16.02.2021 54:13
A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com. My thoughts on polarization have changed over the past few years. On the one hand, polarization can be a danger to democracy. Milan Svolik among others have shown how strong ideological positions lead some voters to support leaders they know are undemocratic. Moreover, democracy depends on the willingness of both parties to make compromis...
Can Democracy Survive the Internet? Nate Persily and Josh Tucker on Social Media and Democracy 09.02.2021 47:32
A complete transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . Over the past ten years social media has reshaped politics. Fake news and political disinformation have become a part of the political discourse. But social media has also brought about meaningful change through the #metoo and #blacklivesmatter movements. Social media has allowed dissident voices to express themselves in authoritari...
Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson on the Plutocratic Populism of the Republican Party 02.02.2021 48:53
A transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . Democracy depends on distinctions between political parties. Every election they offer clear choices on economic proposals. In recent years, cultural issues have added a new dimension to the polarization of American politics. But the 2020 election added a dangerous dimension to the political divide. The Republican Party has begun to question...
Bryn Rosenfeld on Middle Class Support for Dictators in Autocratic Regimes 26.01.2021 45:50
A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com . Barrington Moore famously claimed, “No bourgeoisie. No democracy.” Many scholars before and after Moore have argued the middle class is necessary for successful democratization. But Moore had a specific image of the middle class. The bourgeoisie were not simply white-collar professionals. They were entrepreneurs who were independent of t...
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