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Defending Ideas
Defending Ideas is a weekly podcast produced by Sutherland Institute. On this show we are committed to renewing the principles of common sense conservatism, by equipping listeners to become more effective champions of sound principle and good policy. Visit defendingideas.org .
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Nov 10, 2026
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Agency over equity: Ian Rowe on a better vision for upward mobility 28.11.2023 50:11
Many public policy debates in recent years have focused on the concept of equity, and what impact race and ethnicity have on opportunity for the next generation. This week's podcast guest believes we need to replace equity with agency, as a more compelling – and more effective – vision to help young people of all races lead successful and fulfilling lives. Ian Rowe is the cofounder of Vertex Partn...
Antisemitism in America: Rabbi Chaim Zippel on the aftermath of the Hamas attack in Israel 21.11.2023 46:10
Rabbi Chaim Zippel was in Israel with his wife and baby on October 7, 2023 – the day of the Hamas terrorist attack. He joins host Nic Dunn to recount his experience getting his family to safety and react to the recent wave of antisemitism abroad and at home. Sutherland Institute Constitutional Law and Religious Freedom Fellow Bill Duncan also returns to the podcast to apply a religious freedom len...
Should government promote marriage? 14.11.2023 53:28
Marriage is often viewed as a personal matter that isn't usually included in public policy discussions. But a growing body of evidence shows that strong families, anchored by healthy marriages, are among the biggest drivers of upward mobility and long-term success for the next generation. This prompts the question: does government have a role in promoting – or even trying to strengthen – marriage?...
Why America needs a new welfare reform movement 07.11.2023 49:59
Roughly 37.9 million Americans live in poverty according to the United States Census Bureau's official poverty measure . By any assessment, that's far too many Americans struggling to get by. So a coalition of state-level policy thinktanks called the Alliance for Opportunity is working to bring that number down, starting with its goal of leading 1 million Americans out of poverty in ten years. All...
Supreme Court 2024: How to better understand – and defend – the court’s constitutional role 31.10.2023 42:39
The U.S. Supreme Court began its new term in October, with several weighty issues already on the docket. Between now and June 2024, the court will review various cases touching on free speech, separation of powers, property rights and more that could be added throughout the term. Sutherland Institute Constitutional Law and Religious Freedom Fellow Bill Duncan returns to the podcast to give us a pr...
Defending Enterprise with Beth Akers: How to approach 2024 campaign rhetoric on the economy 24.10.2023 40:41
This week’s episode of Defending Ideas brings you another installment of our feature segment: Defending Enterprise, with contributor and AEI Senior Fellow Beth Akers . Beth joins Nic Dunn to provide listeners with a guide to what candidates for office in 2024 might say about the economy – and how voters can stay focused on policy proposals that support and defend our free enterprise system. Beth d...
The death of discourse? TV news veteran Glen Mills reflects on the press and public debate 17.10.2023 43:47
Americans don't trust the news media. Polling data shows over and over that many Americans tend to believe the press is politically biased and not trustworthy. At the same time, it seems that our collective ability to engage in healthy, robust debate has also declined. Is there a link between diminishing trust in the press and the dying art of public discourse? On this week's episode, 20-year TV n...
Aimee Winder Newton on elevating families as a crucial part of success 10.10.2023 38:55
We often hear that the best way to prepare the next generation for a successful life is through a quality education. But what about another institution of civil society that might actually play a bigger role in upward mobility and human flourishing? On this episode we profile the recently created Utah Office of Families and show you why the best way to equip children with the tools for a successfu...
A firsthand account of overcoming ‘benefits cliffs’ to escape poverty 03.10.2023 41:55
Trying to get out of chronic poverty is challenging. Sometimes, government programs designed to help can actually make upward mobility feel harder to achieve. On this episode, we talk with Chris Robinson, Graduated Circle Leader with the local nonprofit Circles Salt Lake. Chris shares what it was like when she lived in poverty and relied on government benefit programs to provide stability for her...
A better way to frame the child care debate 26.09.2023 41:17
Child care is frequently at the center of family policy debates in Washington, D.C. and in state capitals across the country. As evidenced by the Biden administration's proposal in April 2023, often the core focus is promoting broad access to licensed institutional child care as a tool to maximize parents' participation in the workforce. But the state of Utah's approach has been markedly different...
Eboo Patel on how religious differences are actually necessary for healthy democracy 19.09.2023 50:31
Religious faith is often viewed as a source of division, and sometimes there's an expectation that people of faith should keep their religion confined to their private lives. This week's discussion shows that religious differences can actually lead to bridges of cooperation to solve some of our biggest challenges, and that faith has an important role in public life. Special guest Eboo Patel , foun...
Rep. John Curtis on the conservative approach to climate change 12.09.2023 38:13
Debates about climate change, energy policy and the environment can feel very polarizing. These discussions often pit right and left against one another, while also suggesting fossil fuels and free enterprise are at odds with environmental stewardship. Our guest this episode is Rep. John Curtis , who represents Utah's 3rd Congressional District and has also headed the efforts of the Conservative C...
Rep. Blake Moore on urgency of reining in federal spending 05.09.2023 41:36
Rep. Blake Moore of Utah's 1st Congressional District joins the show to discuss runaway federal spending and how to shift away from America's "debt culture." The congressman talks with Beth Akers, AEI senior fellow and Defending Ideas feature contributor, on our new monthly feature segment: Defending Enterprise. Show notes: Sutherland Institute Congressional Series 2023: Rep. Blake Moore - YouTube...
Rep. Burgess Owens on education, family and infrastructure 29.08.2023 43:26
Rep. Burgess Owens of Utah's 4th Congressional District joins the show to discuss upward mobility, with a special focus on the importance of options in both K-12 and post-secondary education, the role of the family, and how transportation and infrastructure play an important role. Show notes: Home - Burgess Owens (house.gov) Education and the Workforce (house.gov) Defending Ideas is a weekly podca...
Massachusetts' denial of Catholic foster couple is a loss for kids & religious freedom 22.08.2023 42:09
A Massachusetts couple's application to become foster parents was denied by the state. The reason? Their Catholic faith. Sutherland Institute Religious Freedom Policy Fellow Bill Duncan returns to the show to walk us through why the state denied an otherwise exemplary foster couple, Mike and Kitty Burke, and why the lawsuit the Burkes filed in response is on solid legal footing. Show notes: States...
How programs to help the poor can harm upward mobility 15.08.2023 41:37
Imagine you're offered a raise that, if you accepted, would actually make your family worse off. This is the experience of some families in poverty when they hit something called the benefits cliff. This "cliff effect" is triggered when a family's increase in earned income prompts a disproportionately larger decrease in the benefits they receive through federally funded public assistance programs....
Want to Improve Education? Stop Looking to Congress 08.08.2023 42:25
It's common for voters to complain that Congress doesn't do enough on a number of different issues, citing gridlock and political dysfunction. But what about areas where it would actually be better if Congress did less ? On this episode, we discuss why education has become such a polarized issue, and why Congress is ill-suited to make real progress on behalf of students. Sutherland Institute Educa...
Best Defense of Capitalism Acknowledges its Imperfections 01.08.2023 42:54
These days it’s popular in some circles to be very critical of capitalism and free enterprise. In fact, some polling data shows a decline in American voters' support for capitalism . But the polarization around America's economic system is actually harming our ability to advance a principled and pragmatic approach to economic opportunity. American Enterprise Institute Senior Fellow Beth Akers join...
Why the "Utah Family Miracle" Could Be at Risk, and How to Preserve It 20.07.2023 40:48
Utah has enjoyed a longstanding perch atop various state economic and societal rankings, including job growth, happiness, upward mobility, and more. New research shows how that success is tied to the stability of Utah families, and why the decline in some key indicators of family structure should concern you. Sutherland Institute Visiting Scholar Brad Wilcox joins the podcast to discuss his new re...
Is Independence Day Still Worth Celebrating? 14.07.2023 43:08
Some Americans say they don't want to celebrate Independence Day anymore. The reason? They're frustrated with the results of various political disagreements in the country. But what if this refusal to celebrate is actually uncovering a deeper – and more prevalent – misread of the American idea? Sutherland Institute President and CEO Rick Larsen joins the podcast to re-center the public debate abou...
Freedom of Expression and Public Accommodation can Coexist 13.07.2023 37:13
Imagine you’re a small business owner. Should the government be able to coerce you and your business to express an idea you disagree with? The United States Supreme Court, ruling in favor of a small website creation business called 303 Creative, says no ruling in favor of free expression. Sutherland Institute's court expert Bill Duncan, VP of Policy Derek Monson, and guest Marian Edmonds-Allen of...
Supreme Court Protects Separation of Powers in Student Loan Case 13.07.2023 38:46
In a win for the constitutional separation of powers, the United States Supreme Court overturned Pres. Biden's student loan forgiveness plan. Sutherland Institute's court expert Bill Duncan and guest Beth Akers of American Enterprise Institute weigh in on what the ruling means for the rule of law and the student loan issue moving forward. Defending Ideas is a weekly podcast produced by Sutherland...
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