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Cracking Legal Innovation
Step inside the world of legal innovation - the unsung individuals and teams working tirelessly to modernise a centuries old profession and bring it into the 21st century. This podcast tells the untold stories of the struggles, triumphs, and lessons learned by the people driving change in the legal industry. From pitching new tools to skeptical lawyers, to proving ROI in an industry where time is money, we uncover what it truly means to innovate in a space resistant to change and shine a spotlight on the human side of change-making in a profession steeped in tradition.
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From services to solutions: How design-thinking is rewiring legal work - Jana Blount, Director of Client Solutions and Digital Strategy at Norton Rose Fulbright 16.06.2026 46:42
What if the client's real problem isn't the legal problem at all? In this episode, Anthony Seale and Daniel Porus are joined by Jana Blount, Director of Client Solutions and Digital Strategy for EMEA and APAC at Norton Rose Fulbright. Jana has spent her career embedding design thinking into legal organizations — building the radical change team at DLA Piper before taking on her current r...
The non-lawyer skills firms need to hire and train for - Ilona Logvinova, Chief AI Officer at Herbert Smith Freehills Kramer 05.05.2026 43:12
Ilona Logvinova, Global Chief AI Officer at Herbert Smith Freehills Kramer, joins Daniel Porus and Anthony Seale to explore the non-lawyer skills law firms need to stay competitive. From hybrid intelligence and systems thinking to AI oversight, inductive reasoning, and celebrating tech talent, Ilona shares how firms can rethink delivery, mindset, and culture to build the legal workforce of the nex...
The role of data in law firm innovation - Michelle Mahoney, Chief Innovation Officer at Mallesons 07.04.2026 56:52
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, we sit down with Michelle Mahoney, Chief Innovation Officer at Mallesons (formerly King & Wood Mallesons), to explore how a truly data-driven approach is transforming legal practice. From designing experiments with measurable impact to aligning incentives with innovation, Michelle shares how her team uses data, storytelling, and behavioural insight...
Inside the client-firm partnership for legal tech success - Kerry Westland, Partner - Head of Innovation Group at Addleshaw Goddard 25.11.2025 45:56
Kerry Westland, Partner & Head of Innovation at Addleshaw Goddard, leads nearly 80 people transforming legal service delivery. In this episode, she discusses the practical factors that influence legaltech adoption, and how firms and clients can align to ensure innovation succeeds. The answer often surprises: cloud restrictions that persist years later, AI panel terms repeating past mistakes,...
The ideal law firm and technology provider relationship - Andrei Salajan, Director Legal Tech & Innovation at Schoenherr 11.11.2025 55:55
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, Andrei Salajan, Director of Legal Tech & Innovation at Schoenherr, shares insights on what makes a truly effective partnership between law firms and legal technology providers. He dives into: - The three pillars of successful collaboration - Product, People, and Partnership - How to create trust and transparency between firms and vendors - What law...
Scaling legal tech - Shruti Ajitsaria and David Campbell, A&O Shearman 28.10.2025 53:18
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, David Campbell, Former Partner at A&O Shearman, and Shruti Ajitsaria, Head of Fuse, share how the firm approaches legal technology - from backing early-stage startups to embedding new tools into everyday practice. We explore: 💡 The origins of Fuse, A&O Shearman’s innovation hub 🤝 The power of partner champions in driving adoption 🧭 How to na...
Why do I care about legal tech? - Rusty Fleming, Partner at Nelson Mullins 14.10.2025 45:30
What does legal technology look like through a partner's eyes? Rusty Fleming, who represents lenders and commercial real estate developers in high-volume transactions across the United States, pulls back the curtain on how he's built one of the most profitable practices at his firm - and technology is central to the strategy. 📍 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Don’t fo...
Building an innovation team - Jeff Westcott, Director, Practice Technology, Innovation & AI at Akin 30.09.2025 58:22
In this episode, Jeff reveals: How to structure lean innovation teams that scale without adding endless headcount Why saying "no" strategically builds more credibility than being an order-taker The balance between hiring legal vs. non-legal talent for innovation roles How to navigate law firm politics and secure budget for innovation initiatives Why qualitative feedback often matters mor...
How to drive a successful implementation - Andrea Miskolczi, Managing Director at InterAlia Consulting 16.09.2025 54:26
Buying technology is easy. Getting lawyers to use it? That’s the real challenge. In this episode, Andrea Miskolczi (InterAlia Consulting) explains why implementation is less about the software and more about people, culture, and change management. She shares how to win over the right personas, use incentives wisely, and even bring fun into adoption through gamification. Packed with real-world less...
Measuring ROI in legal tech - Hugo Cassidy, Partner at Pinsent Masons 02.09.2025 1:00:35
How do you make the business case for legal technology? Hugo shares how to combine quantitative metrics with qualitative client feedback - and why adoption, training, and champions are just as important as the tools themselves. 📍 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. Don’t forget to subscribe for more episodes.
Managing global rollouts - Amol Bargaje, Innovation Lead at Mayer Brown 19.08.2025 49:19
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation, we sit down with Amol Bargaje, Innovation Lead at Mayer Brown, a global law firm with 20+ offices and 2,000+ attorneys worldwide. We dive into the challenges and opportunities of driving legal technology adoption across diverse geographies, practice areas, and firm cultures. 💡 What you’ll learn in this episode: How to identify the real problems worth...
The role of the client in innovation - Chris Grant, Managing Director of Client Value at Goodwin 07.08.2025 56:17
In this episode of Cracking Legal Innovation , we’re joined by Chris Grant , Managing Director of Client Value at Goodwin and former in-house legal transformation lead at Barclays and HSBC. Chris brings a rare dual perspective from both the client and law firm side — and shares candid insights on what clients really expect when it comes to innovation, value, and pricing. From wearing the “client h...
The importance of culture when innovating - Isabel Parker, Chief Innovation Officer at White & Case 22.07.2025 42:09
What truly drives innovation in law firms? According to Isabel Parker, Chief Innovation Officer at White & Case and author of Successful Digital Transformation in Law Firms, it’s not just technology - it’s culture. In this episode, Isabel unpacks why culture is the biggest barrier- and opportunity -when it comes to transforming legal services. With candid insights from the front lines of legal...
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