Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich

Continuous Agitation

Arts EN ↓ 6 episodes

Continuous Agitation is two working photographers with decades of experience still struggling to figure it out. Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich talk about what’s working, what isn’t, and what the hell is happening to the photo business. 

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Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich

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Arts

Podcast website

riverside.com

Latest episode

Jul 2, 2026

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Episodes

Jay's Big Bid 02.07.2026

We’re on YouTube! Now you can see our big dumb faces:  https://youtu.be/gJTkpYIEOp4 This is the place for feedback, suggestions, support, and hate mail. Today: I thought we agreed that big photography jobs were dead. And then a big ol' production plops right on my (Jay's) desk, and I spend a week to ten days gnashing my teeth and crying to Bill about how hard my life is. I'm glad these jobs still...

A Good Client Story 25.06.2026

How do you handle a good client who becomes difficult? We discuss slow payment, unexpected image use, and how good communication skills are your most valuable asset. Jay describes an annual report/image library shoot for a publicly traded company where 30-day terms weren’t met; after 57 days and a new rush request for more images, he considers withholding delivery, worries about seeming unreasonab...

Unlimited Sausage 18.06.2026

This one’s a Part Two. If you haven’t listened to the last episode – “Let Them Eat Cake” – go do that first. We pick up where we left off on the unlimited (sa)usage debate that started last episode, this time getting into the practical reality of how we bid jobs, when we mention usage/licensing, and when we don’t. And why the idealistic advice to "hold the line on licensing" doesn't work the way i...

Let Them Eat Cake 04.06.2026

Is usage licensing dead? Not exactly. But the business it was built for doesn't really exist anymore. Print is all but gone. Social media now accounts for 80% (!) of ad spend in the US. Clients want the C word [rhymes with shmontent] by the dump truck load and there are ten times as many people willing to shoot it. @asksternrep , a prominent photo rep with an excellent advice page, recently posted...

AI Moonrise Hernandez 28.05.2026

The Danziger Gallery is showing a large-format AI-generated color version of Ansel Adams' Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico . Prompt: make a realistic color version of Ansel Adams' iconic Moonrise over Hernandez.   Reaction: gross. But also, this is the AI version of Richard Prince shenanigans. Which pulls us into Prince's Untitled Cowboys — Marlboro ads torn from magazines, rephotographed, sold for...

Why are we doing this? 22.05.2026

Continuous Agitation — Episode 1: Why Are We Doing This? This first episode is an origin story — why two working photographers decided to start recording their phone calls and sharing them with strangers. We’ve been having these conversations for years and figured other photographers might get something out of it. But also: Jay can't find much content that reflects the business reality he’s actual...

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