Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman
Complementary
A podcast about the principles and practices of interface design.
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Anthony Hobday, Katie Langerman
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Jul 2, 2026
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Episodes
32: Thoughts on "Just Enough Design" by Taku Satoh 21.04.2024 36:22
Anthony and Katie discuss "Just Enough Design" by Taku Satoh. Spoiler: we like it. Anthony's recommended short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
31: Interface Personality vs Usability 07.04.2024 38:04
Anthony and Katie discuss how to safely add personality to an interface without sacrificing usability. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
30: How Important is Feedback? 24.03.2024 35:04
Anthony and Katie discuss design feedback: how important it is, bad vs. good feedback, and the difference between harsh and direct feedback. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
29: Interface Design Roles 10.03.2024 33:40
Anthony and Katie discuss different roles and responsibilities related to interface design, sharing their preferred combinations. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
28: Design Quotes 25.02.2024 33:12
Anthony and Katie analyze two quotes related to design. Anthony's quote from Frank Chimero: https://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/what-screens-want/ Katie's quote from PJ Onori: https://pjonori.blog/posts/analysis-of-style/ Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
27: Finish This Sentence: Celebrating One Year of Complementary 11.02.2024 44:32
Anthony and Katie celebrate one year of producing this podcast with a game: finish this sentence. Each person prepared sentences for the other to finish, all related to design. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
26: Things We're Good At 28.01.2024 42:03
In contrast with episode 25, Anthony and Katie discuss things they are good at when it comes to interface design. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
25: Things We're Not Good At 14.01.2024 38:02
Anthony and Katie share some things they're not good at when it comes to interface design. There are plenty of benefits to being aware of your own weaknesses, and learning to talk about them openly can help lead you towards improvement and/or acceptance. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/...
24: Hot Takes 31.12.2023 41:03
Katie reacts to Anthony's "hot takes" to wrap up 2023.
23: Landing Page Style vs Application Style 17.12.2023 41:20
Anthony and Katie discuss landing page visual style compared to application visual style, crossover between brand and utility, and whether or not a single designer can do both styles. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
22: What Is Uniquely Human about Design? 03.12.2023 44:18
Anthony and Katie discuss AI and what is uniquely human about design. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
21: Wireframing 12.11.2023 34:46
Anthony and Katie attempt to define wireframing, and discuss why or why not you might want to use them. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
20: Thoughtful Interface Design 29.10.2023 36:52
Anthony and Katie discuss what makes interface design "thoughtful", including some specific things to keep in mind as a designer.
19: Interface Design Misconceptions 15.10.2023 38:26
Anthony and Katie discuss commonly misused terminology, hot takes for the algorithm, and focusing on the approach instead of the reason.
18: Predicting the Future of Interface Design 01.10.2023 32:56
Anthony and Katie chat about futuristic interface design and make some *fun* predictions. Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
17: Where "Novel" Design Comes From 17.09.2023 36:17
Anthony and Katie discuss what makes design feel "novel" and some strategies to achieve it. Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
16: Layout 03.09.2023 52:42
Anthony and Katie discuss layout. Take our poll on main content alignment with a sidebar: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign/status/1698041067914801515?s=20 Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
15: Color with Lukas Oppermann 20.08.2023 54:43
Anthony, Katie and special guest Lukas Oppermann discuss color. Check out Lukas on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lukasoppermann . Hosts : Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
14: Typography 06.08.2023 1:01:29
Anthony and Katie discuss the various properties that make up typography. Links mentioned: https://designregression.com/article/line-length-revisited-following-the-research https://abookapart.com/products/on-web-typography Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
13: Looks Pretty vs. Works Good 24.07.2023 43:19
Anthony and Katie discuss a listener topic around "looks pretty vs. works good". Books mentioned: Form Design Patterns, Adam Silver Designing Interactions, Bill Moggridge Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
12: Coherent Interface Design 10.07.2023 52:17
Anthony and Katie discuss the term “coherent” as it relates to interface design (after a bit of banter). Figma Config talks mentioned: Ashley Seto: Using color at scale for aesthetics and accessibility Duolingo: Embracing art to enhance your product CSS talk: The future of responsive design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, System...
11: The Value of Visual Design to your Career 25.06.2023 44:30
Anthony and Katie discuss why visual design is valuable for your career as a designer. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
10: Taking Interaction Design from Good to Great 18.06.2023 50:27
Anthony and Katie discuss what takes interaction design from good to great. Things look like they act and act like they look Useful animation Physical/spatial consistency Speed and responsiveness Fiddle factor Context awareness Links: WWDC talk on fluid interfaces Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter...
09: Pace Layering 04.06.2023 45:05
Anthony and Katie discuss pace layering, design systems and AI. Articles mentioned: Nathan Curtis: Design System UI is More Expensive than a Product Team's UI Mark Boulton: The Fast and Slow of Design Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
08: Conveying Good Taste in a Design Portfolio 14.05.2023 42:34
Anthony and Katie discuss design portfolios, case studies, and networking. Links mentioned: Original tweet Button design walkthrough Anthony's website Checkbox design Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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