Wanda Swan

Come Get Your White People

"Come Get Your White People" is a podcast for the change agent at their wit's end. You're dedicated to dismantling White Supremacy, but tired of arguing with your loved ones, friends, neighbors, strangers at the gas station, and damn near everyone else about the fact that anti-Blackness is a REAL thing. Your effort seems to be in vain and you're running out of arguments and fire, right? GOOD. Your arguments sucked anyway. No shade...slight shade. How do I know? Because I'm an anti-oppressive coach who has spent the past 15 years standing in rooms making liberation a tangible goal for thousands...

Author

Wanda Swan

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Education

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startbytalking.mykajabi.com

Latest episode

Jan 21, 2026

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Episodes

165: Why Is Your God So Small? 21.01.2026

Religion in this country is generally separated by race and Wanda asks about your God. A liberatory God is a big God, a God that is too big to fit inside of Whiteness. So consider what you believe about your God and the message you receive from your church.   Learn more about Lead The Shift™, Start By Talking's 12-month licensing program that embeds a proven framework for anti-oppressive supervisi...

164: If You See Somebody Stealing, Bitch, No You Didn't, Part 2 12.11.2025

This episode is a continuation of the conversation started in the last episode. Wanda reiterates how poverty is used to sustain oppression and shares what you can do to take action against it. Please see the list of resources below. Food Feeding America's food bank locator:  https://www.feedingamerica.org/find-your-local-foodbank FoodPantries.org  and  AmpleHarvest.org  for local produce and pantr...

163: If You See Somebody Stealing, Bitch, No You Didn't, Part 1 07.11.2025

Wanda discusses the current government shutdown and how it affects SNAP benefits. We are reminded that poverty is not a character flaw. Come back next week for the rest of this conversation, including an overview of the list of resources below. Food Feeding America's food bank locator: https://www.feedingamerica.org/find-your-local-foodbank FoodPantries.org and AmpleHarvest.org for local produce a...

162: Life is Hard Right Now. Are you OK? 03.10.2025

*TRIGGER WARNING* This episode contains content about suicide that may be triggering for some individuals. Listen with care.   We're living in a really hard time, and some folx are feeling it more than others. There is a lot going on in the world today so be sure to check on yourself and your people. We are going to have to depend on each other to survive.   Learn more about Lead The Shift™, Start...

161: Charlie Kirk, Chile... 19.09.2025

Wanda talks about Charlie Kirk, focusing on 4 specific points. White Supremacy doesn't love anybody, even the people it gives allowances to. If you are in alignment with White Supremacy there's always a chance it will harm you next.   Learn more about Lead The Shift™, Start By Talking's 12-month licensing program that embeds a proven framework for anti-oppressive supervision inside your organizati...

160: Lead The Shift, Part 3: Build Accountability Into Leadership 10.09.2025

To complete this series on Lead The Shift™, Wanda talks about what accountability in leadership actually looks like, and how organizations can build systems that last.   Learn more about Lead The Shift™, Start By Talking's 12-month licensing program that embeds a proven framework for anti-oppressive supervision inside your organization, here:  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/lead-the-shift   L...

159: Lead The Shift, Part 2: Culture Eats Policy: What Happens When Orgs Don't Address Harm 27.08.2025

Wanda goes deeper into the discussion of Lead The Shift™, Start By Talking's new licensing program. She shares how organizations typically handle "harm" in ways that protect the institution, not the people who have been harmed. Learn about the real cost of harm and what leaders can do for true organizational change.   Learn more about the Anti-Oppressive Bystander Leadership Education (A.B.L.E.) I...

158: Ready To Lead The Shift? Part 1 20.08.2025

Wanda talks about Start By Talking's new licensing program, Lead The Shift™. In this episode, and over the course of the next few episodes, you'll learn why this program was built and what you can do to build an anti-oppressive culture in your organization that actually lasts.   Learn more about the Anti-Oppressive Bystander Leadership Education (A.B.L.E.) Institute at https://startbytalking. myka...

157: Racism Is Expensive 08.08.2025

Wanda discusses Return to the Land, a group of White Supremacists with a plan to build a Whites-only community in Arkansas. Hear Wanda's reaction to this, and her prediction about the group and the community they want to establish.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at https://startbytalking....

156: Is It A Male Loneliness Epidemic or Is It Just White Supremacy? 01.08.2025

Wanda shares a story and discusses the "male loneliness epidemic." She explains how White Supremacy reaches everything and the ways that Black Women are disproportionately affected.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn mo...

155: When Anti-Oppression Becomes Infrastructure 23.07.2025

We've spent years coaching, confronting, and reimagining leadership through our signature Anti-Oppressive Supervision™ training. Now, we're scaling up—way up.   In this episode of Come Get Your White People!, we're pulling back the curtain on the evolution of AOS: from a deeply personal, cohort-based program to an organizational intervention.   We talk about evolution, legacy, and liberation—and w...

154: Leadership Without Harm: An Anti-Oppressive Strategy For Real Change 06.06.2025

Wanda shares how Start By Talking is responding to feedback on creating, developing, and sustaining an anti-oppressive leadership strategy. She discusses the new One-Day VIP offering for leaders who know they can't supervise the same way anymore.   Start By Talking LLC proudly introduces Leadership Without Harm: A One-Day Rebuild! This private, VIP service will help leaders and supervisors uncover...

153: Anti-Oppressive Supervision: Join the Final Cohort Before the Evolution Begins 23.05.2025

Wanda discusses The Anti-Oppressive Supervision Program and explains how and why it is evolving. Learn how you can join the next cohort and embrace the power of inclusive leadership.   Learn more and register for Cohort 9 of The Anti-Oppressive Supervision Program that begins June 2, 2025 at:  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/anti-oppressive-supervision   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Onli...

152: White Supremacy Is The Boogeyman: Our Sinners Review, Part 3 14.05.2025

Wanda and Lissa wrap up their discussion of the movie Sinners. They discuss the relatability of the characters and praise the movie for being unapologetically Black.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://st...

151: White Supremacy Is The Boogeyman: Our Sinners Review, Part 2 07.05.2025

Wanda and Lissa continue their discussion of the movie Sinners. They talk about the relationships of the characters and what scenes stood out to them.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://startbytalking.my...

150: White Supremacy Is The Boogeyman: Our Sinners Review, Part 1 30.04.2025

Wanda and Lissa discuss the movie Sinners. They share their initial reactions to the film, and why they found it so impactful.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email que...

149: Morning Musings Before Coffee 11.04.2025

Wanda talks about how to build a conscious, real community and the importance of taking action. She also provides a few questions for you to ask yourself this week.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://sta...

148: Anti-Oppressive Coaching Revisited with Danielle Riley, Part 2 26.03.2025

Wanda continues her conversation with former client Danielle Riley. Danielle shares how her life has changed since her coaching and talks about the actions she continues to take as a direct result of her work with Start By Talking.   Learn more about Danielle at @daniellerileyy   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice...

147: Anti-Oppressive Coaching Revisited with Danielle Riley 21.03.2025

Wanda talks with former client Danielle Riley. They discuss Danielle's experience working with Start By Talking, how things have changed in her life since her coaching, and how she still applies what she learned in her life today.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.m...

146: Start By Talking Turns Five-ish, and Here Are Our March Offers! Part 2 12.03.2025

In part 2, Wanda shares more about the offers Start By Talking currently has available. Hear how you can start, or continue, your anti-oppressive journey.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://startbytalkin...

145: Start By Talking Turns Five-ish, and Here Are Our March Offers! 07.03.2025

Wanda reminisces on the first five-ish years of Start By Talking and shares what is going on now.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email questions to  sbtinfo@wanswan.co...

144: Before You Call on Black Folx To Fix This Mess, Consider This! 26.02.2025

This episode is for every person who is yelling, "Where are the Black folx?" Wanda shares where Black folx are, and outlines the liberatory work you need to do.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://startby...

143: Halftime Show Was a Problem For You? That's Your Racism, Friend! 19.02.2025

Wanda discusses the 2025 Super Bowl halftime show and explains why your reaction to it is connected to racism. She shares her thoughts on the multilayered, nuanced show and the ways it was a message to America, not just Drake.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykaj...

142: Happy Black History Month...And Other Rambling Thoughts 05.02.2025

Wanda wishes everyone a happy Black History Month! She talks about how she is celebrating and shares other rambling thoughts.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/practiceliberationacademy   Learn more at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/   Email quest...

141: Current State of Affairs: White Supremacy Ain't Gonna Kill Me 22.01.2025

Wanda shares about life lately, what Start By Talking is up to, and what to expect this year. Email us any topics you would like to hear discussed, and join us on the road to liberation, because it is time for change.   Join the Anti-Oppressive Advocacy® Online Course at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/able-course   Join the Practice Liberation Academy at  https://startbytalking.mykajabi.com/...

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