Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn

Class Disrupted

The coronavirus pandemic disrupted education across the U.S. and changed our assumptions about what it means to go to school. When kids return to the classroom, things won’t be the same. Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn answer questions from parents and talk with educators and leading thinkers about how we can approach teaching and learning differently to better meet the needs of all students.

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Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn

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Education

Latest episode

Jun 11, 2026

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Episodes

Season 4, Episode 11: Scaling the New, Sunsetting the Old 13.03.2023

Diane updates Michael on the latest progress on one of Summit’s pilots from this year and the two then delve into a discussion of how to bring the new innovation that’s working and scale it up inside the organization—and what to do about the old processes that are no longer needed. Episode transcript:

Season 4, Episode 10: Education Reflections from Trips to Sierra Leone, Liberia, and India 01.03.2023

Back from their trips abroad, Michael and Diane reflect on what they saw in the countries and what that means for shaping educational opportunities for each and every child worldwide. Episode transcript:

Season 4, Episode 9: Shake Up in the Assessment Market 06.02.2023

Michael and Diane dig deep in analyzing the big acquisition of NWEA in the assessment market by Houghton-Mifflin Harcourt, one of the largest curriculum players in the United States. They conclude that we should be skeptical that the acquisition will improve teaching and learning for students or that it will pay off as much as Continue reading "Season 4, Episode 9: Shake Up in the Assessment ...

Season 4, Episode 8: Why Failure and ‘Pivoting’ Is Hard in Education 24.01.2023

In this episode, Diane reflects around why failure in life and schools is hard—and she and Michael dissect why it’s nevertheless important. Diane shares how, after a set of tests don’t work as planned, her schools then chart a pivot to a new direction. Episode transcript:

Season 4, Episode 7: Beneath the AI Hype 09.01.2023

Diane and Michael break down the latest frenzy around artificial intelligence and education. They explore if and how ChatGPT could be an innovation in education, what would make it innovative (hint: it’s not the technology!), and how it could be a useful tool in creating better learning experiences. Episode transcript:

Season 4, Episode 6: How Do You Staff Innovation? 13.12.2022

Arguably the scarcest resource in schools is people. And people are imperative for doing a pilot and innovating well. In this episode of Class Disrupted, Diane Tavenner and Michael Horn delve into how to best use people when innovating and what are the key roles that you must fill to do a pilot well. Episode Continue reading "Season 4, Episode 6: How Do You Staff Innovation?"

Season 4, Episode 5: Why Aren’t There More Innovative Schools? 29.11.2022

Diane Tavenner shares with Michael Horn her excitement about a school visit she did recently in South Carolina to the Anderson Institute of Technology—which raises the question of why aren’t there more schools like what Diane saw? Episode transcript:

Season 4, Episode 4: Which Pilots Should My School Try? 15.11.2022

Schools typically have long laundry lists of all the pilots and innovations they want to do—if only they had the time and resources. Or they have laundry lists of improvement projects that are in the works—but then the execution suffers on all of them. How should a school choose which innovations and improvements to invest in Continue reading "Season 4, Episode 4: Which Pilots Should My School&#16...

Season 4, Episode 3: Is There a Teacher Shortage? It Depends 31.10.2022

Whether there’s a teacher shortage depends on who you ask and the definition of “shortage” it seems. In this episode, Diane and Michael welcome reporter Kevin Mahnken from The74 to provide up to date information on the data and storylines in the media. Then Diane details what her reality is on the ground in her Continue reading "Season 4, Episode 3: Is There a Teacher Shortage? I...

Season 4, Episode 2: What Does a Real Pilot Look Like in a School? 17.10.2022

Diane and Michael reflect about how all too often educators tell them that they’re piloting something, but when they dig in, what they’re doing doesn’t actually sound like a pilot. To make this crystal clear, they put one of Summit’s current pilots under the microscope to start to break down just what is a pilot and Continue reading "Season 4, Episode 2: What Does a Re...

Season 4, Episode 1: The Disruptive Journey Ahead 19.09.2022

Although classrooms are not disrupted as they were over the last three school years, Diane and Michael are back with the goal of finding a way to disrupt them. In their opening episode of Season 4, the two catch up on headlines from their summers and share a preview for how they plan to help Continue reading "Season 4, Episode 1: The Disruptive Journey Ahead"

Season 3, Episode 20: Does banning things actually keep children safe in schools? 13.06.2022

In the final episode of season 3, Diane notes that many of the solutions to help make schools safer all focus around banning things: banning CRT, books, speakers, and more. Michael and Diane discuss what these ideas from both sides of the political spectrum share in common—and whether this instinct is actually the way to Continue reading "Season 3, Episode 20: Does banning things actually keep chi...

Season 3, Episode 19: Are older students fixed in their abilities? 30.05.2022

In this episode, Michael brings Diane a puzzle. A reader recently pushed back on an assertion in his upcoming book, From Reopen to Reinvent, that “fixed grouping of children by perceived ability… narrows opportunities,” by suggesting that older students are in fact relatively fixed in their abilities. In turn, Diane unpacks what’s behind the statement and Continue reading "...

Season 3, Episode 18: Revisiting the promise and potential of charter schools 30 years later 16.05.2022

As charter schools face challenges in the Beltway, Diane and Michael go back to first principles around the purpose of charter schools by revisiting the original 1992 California Act that created charter schools in the state and assess how they’ve done. They then do a deep dive into innovation theory to revisit the promise and Continue reading "Season 3, Episode 18: Revisiting the promise and...

Season 3, Episode 17: Never Forget: Lessons America’s education debates can learn from Germany 02.05.2022

Having returned from Germany, Diane shares what she learned about how Germany remembers the Holocaust and what it teaches its children about it so that it does not repeat its past. Michael and Diane reflect how the way Germany approaches the conversation could offer a new starting point to help America move past its polarizing Continue reading "Season 3, Episode 17: Never Forget: Lessons America&#...

Season 3, Episode 16: Rethinking college for all 18.04.2022

In their final episode exploring the themes of meritocracy and education, Diane and Michael describe the rethinking that has gone on in education around the college-for-all movement and suggest a path forward that learns from the past.

Season 3, Episode 15: Meritocracy and selective college admissions 04.04.2022

Diane and Michael work to dispel the myths around selective college admissions, dissect whether they are in fact meritocratic, and architect what they see as a better path forward.

Season 3, Episode 14: Exam schools and meritocracy 21.03.2022

Diane and Michael dive into the fierce debate around selective exam schools as a case study to not only identify the problems in implementation that meritocracy-based ideas have created, but also to suggest solutions that retain and amplify the benefits of meritocracy.

Season 3, Episode 13: Meritocracy and education 08.03.2022

In this episode, Diane details the discussion of the history, pluses, and minuses with meritocracy through the prism of three recent books on the topic. Michael and Diane then discuss how this intersects with our K–12 education system—and set up two episodes to come about exam schools and selective college admissions.

Season 3, Episode 12: Is there a teacher exodus or not? Digging into the dispute 22.02.2022

There are two dominant narratives in education right now about teachers. On the one hand, many media stories and educators say loudly that teachers are leaving in droves, which is making it hard to manage schools. On the other hand, researchers are observing that the numbers of quits don’t appear much different from how it’s been Continue reading "Season 3, Episode 12: Is there a...

Season 3, Episode 11: What is driving parent frustration with schools? 08.02.2022

Michael and Diane explore what’s driving parent—and educator—frustration with schools, and how misalignment between different groups may actually create a path toward a more personalized school system where grace and gratitude return.

Season 3, Episode 10: The unworkable burden on schools 25.01.2022

Michael asks Diane to explain what expectations are unrealistic for schools to fulfill. Diane discusses how the layering of requirements and regulations on schools have stretched them in unintended and burdensome ways that require a redesign—not a bolted-on approach.

Season 3, Episode 9: As 2022 dawns, the state of Covid and schools 11.01.2022

John Bailey, education policy expert and writer of the nightly COVID-19 Policy Update on Substack, joins Diane and Michael to talk about the current state of COVID and schools, Omicron, vaccinations, testing, and more.

Season 3, Episode 8: Three wishes for 2022 14.12.2021

In this final episode of 2021, Diane and Michael share three wishes for schooling in the new year that focus on personalization, grace, and renewing ESSA.

Season 3, Episode 7: Why is there more physical violence than usual in schools this year? 30.11.2021

Diane and Michael engage in a frank conversation about the challenges students and schools are experiencing this year. Headlines have noted an increase in physical altercations. The two discuss why this is and what solutions do or don’t exist.

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