Rick Henderson and Svea Merry

Church is Messy

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Church is messy podcast recorded at Autumn Ridge Church in Rochester, MN

Author

Rick Henderson and Svea Merry

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Religion

Podcast website

www.autumnridge.church

Latest episode

Jun 10, 2026

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Episodes

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Leader Abuse 10.06.2026

In this season finale of Church Is Messy , Rick and Svea reflect on the close of both the podcast season and Autumn Ridge’s long journey through 1 Corinthians. The conversation centers on 1 Corinthians 16 and Rick’s message about how churches relate to leaders—not as a grievance or self-serving topic, but as a willingness to talk honestly about what the text actually says.  Rick revisits four unhe...

Church Is Messy: Psalm 58 - Wisdom in Wicked Psalms 03.06.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy , Rick and Svea reflect on Svea’s recent message from Psalm 58—one of the imprecatory psalms, where God’s people cry out for divine justice against evil and oppression. They talk about why passages like this can feel uncomfortable, violent, or hard to reconcile with Jesus’ command to love our enemies. Svea shares how studying Psalm 58 helped her recover a deeper...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Don't Flirt 27.05.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy , Rick and Svea continue the 1 Corinthians series by unpacking Paul’s teaching on idolatry, allegiance, wisdom, and life with people who do not share our faith. The conversation begins with a look at how modern idolatry often shows up less through statues and temples and more through the things we rely on for security, significance, and satisfaction. Rick and Sve...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Run to Win 20.05.2026

Rick and Svea reflect on Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 9 about running “in such a way as to get the prize,” exploring what it means to live with courage, focus, and love. They talk about how sharing faith doesn’t have to be driven by pressure, guilt, or argument, but can flow naturally from love for people and a desire to share what Jesus has done in our lives. Through stories about hunting, cross...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Food Fight 13.05.2026

Rick and Svea talk about modern-day idolatry—not necessarily bowing before statues, but looking to accomplishments, relationships, finances, status, or other good things to tell us we are enough. They reflect on the freedom that comes from knowing our deepest identity and security are found in Christ, not in what we achieve or what others think of us. The episode also explores Paul’s words that “k...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Slavery and Singleness 29.04.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy, Svea sits down with Pastor Caleb Smith to unpack a challenging passage from 1 Corinthians dealing with slavery, singleness, marriage, and what it means to find true security in Christ. Caleb reflects on the importance of reading Scripture in its original context, helping listeners understand the complexities of first-century slavery and Paul’s deeper message abo...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Married Life 22.04.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy, Rick and Svea continue their walk through 1 Corinthians by tackling a topic that’s often misunderstood: sexuality in marriage. They name two common extremes: treating sex as a tool for control or treating it as something spiritually suspect. Instead, they point to a better vision, seeing it as a good gift meant to be expressed within a marriage marked by trust,...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Sex and the Resurrection 15.04.2026

Episode Summary: In this episode of Church Is Messy , Rick and Svea return to 1 Corinthians—specifically chapter 6—to tackle the complex and often uncomfortable topic of sexuality. They explore how the Corinthian church was shaped by its culture, where distorted views of the body and sex were normalized, and connect that to how modern culture similarly “disciples” us today. The conversation highli...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Be Silent 01.04.2026

Rick and Svea unpack a challenging (“rugged”) passage from 1 Corinthians 14, focusing on orderly worship, spiritual gifts (like speaking in tongues), and a difficult line about women in the church. Rather than avoiding tension, they model how to engage it—encouraging listeners to interpret unclear passages through what’s clear, use context, and patiently wrestle toward understanding.  The conversa...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - 1 Corinthians 13 25.03.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy, Rick and Svea revisit 1 Corinthians 13 following Svea’s weekend sermon—looking beyond its reputation as a wedding passage to what Paul was actually addressing in a deeply dysfunctional church. What emerges is a clear picture of spiritual maturity shaped by love. Svea shares how her understanding of the passage grew as she studied it, alongside a six-stage framew...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Spiritual Gifts 18.03.2026

This episode of "Church Is Messy" unpacks the sermon Rick preached on 1 Corinthians 12 and the topic of spiritual gifts. Rick opened that message with a reflection on mortality — the "dash" between a person's birth and death date — prompting a lively discussion about whether they'd want to know their end date in advance (both say yes, though they acknowledge they're in the minority). This leads in...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Food Fight 11.03.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy, Rick and Svea explore the second half of 1 Corinthians 11, where Paul sharply rebukes the Corinthian church for their divisive behavior during communion. Paul’s warning reveals how seriously God takes unity within the church. Rick explains that unity is not just a goal for Christians—it reflects God’s very nature as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The problem in C...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Hairy Stuff 04.03.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy, Rick and Svea tackle one of the most notoriously difficult passages in the New Testament: 1 Corinthians 11, which discusses head coverings and gender roles. The conversation centers on how people tend to retreat into fundamentalism—grasping at simplistic, dogmatic answers—when facing uncertainty or complex biblical texts. Rick explains that this impulse appears...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Fight Club 25.02.2026

Rick and Svea continue their challenging journey through First Corinthians, tackling Chapter 6 which addresses conflict within the church. They explore Paul's confronting question: "Why not rather be wronged?" and discuss how the Corinthian believers were taking each other to court instead of resolving disputes within the community. They examine three key perspectives: theological (understanding o...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Sex, Judgment, and Church 18.02.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy, Rick and Svea tackle one of the most uncomfortable passages in the New Testament: 1 Corinthians 5. They discuss a shocking situation in the Corinthian church where a man was sleeping with his stepmother, and the congregation was doing nothing about it. Rick and Svea explore the tension between creating a church where people feel safe in struggling with sin while...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - We Are the Temple 11.02.2026

In this episode of Church Is Messy , Rick and Svea dive into Paul's letter to the Corinthians, exploring how the early church struggled with the same tribal divisions we see today. Using a clever Jelly Roll analogy, Rick illustrates how easily Christians can align themselves with personalities and influencers rather than keeping Jesus as their foundation. The conversation tackles the tension betwe...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Practice what we Preach 04.02.2026

In this episode of Church is Messy, Rick and Svea discuss navigating faith and action during turbulent times. They explore how to respond to current immigration and ICE issues in Minnesota with both courage and love, examining the difference between principled protest and reactive behavior. Drawing from the Civil Rights Movement and biblical wisdom, They address how to process strong emotions, eng...

Church is Messy: Church in the Wild - 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 21.01.2026

In this episode of Church is Messy Pastor Caleb Smith (who gave this week's message) and Svea discuss Paul's teaching from 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 about the paradox of the cross - how God's "foolishness" is wiser than human wisdom and his "weakness" is stronger than human strength. Their conversation explores how this ancient message applies to modern Christians facing intellectual persecution and c...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Fences and Ladders 14.01.2026

Rick and Svea discuss 1 Corinthians 1, focusing on how the human desire for acceptance creates division in the church through “fences” (in-groups and out-groups) and “ladders” (status and hierarchy). They show how the Corinthian church split around admired leaders like Paul, Apollos, and Peter, driven more by Roman culture’s obsession with prestige than by real theological differences. The episode...

Church Is Messy: Church in the Wild - Know Your Why 07.01.2026

This episode kicks-off a 20-week series on 1 Corinthians. Today Rick and Svea dig into the series thesis and then look at "knowing your why." Topics discussed in this episode: 00:00 Intro 04:47 1 Corinthians Series overview 06:19 Understanding Paul and looking at our own assumptions and what the original authors were trying to communicate. 08:33 Interesting parallels between Corinth and Rochester....

Church Is Messy: Answering your Questions #3 17.12.2025

During the month of December Rick and Svea turn the microphone around and answer your questions on the podcast. Do you have a questions you'd like them to address in future episodes? Email your questions to podcast@autumnridge.church . Topics discussed in this episode: 00:00 Intro 02:40 Five questions for today's episode: 1) (04:37) God is all-knowing. He knew the fall was going to happen, why did...

Church Is Messy: Answering Your Questions #2 10.12.2025

During the month of December Rick and Svea turn the microphone around and answer your questions on the podcast. Do you have a questions you'd like them to address? Email your questions to podcast@autumnridge.church . Topics discussed in this episode: 00:00 Intro 02:15 QUESTION 1: The discussion on not being able to lose one's salvation was new to me and in the end I still didn't understand. 03:58...

Church Is Messy: Answering Your Questions 03.12.2025

During the month of December Rick and Svea turn the microphone around and answer your questions on the podcast. Do you have a questions you'd like them to address? Email your questions to podcast@autumnridge.church . Topics discussed in this episode: 00:00 Intro 01:55 Send your questions for the podcast to podcast@autumnridge.church 03:18 QUESTION 1: What advice or insight would you give on silenc...

Church Is Messy: Love Is The Agenda - The Origin of the Gospel Story 19.11.2025

On this Love Is The Agenda weekend, Rick and Svea talk about our guest speaker, Dr. Walter Kim, and the message he had on living out the gospel. Topics discussed in this episode: 00:00 Intro 02:49 CIM is taking the 2025 Thanksgiving week off. During December we're going to answer your questions on ANY topic. Send questions to podcast@autumnridge.church . 04:07 Starting with one of Dr. Kim's questi...

Church Is Messy: Acts of Leadership week 7 - Your Story to Tell 12.11.2025

Rick and Svea close out the series on Acts of Leadership by looking at a powerful act of leadership: telling your story about your relationship with Jesus. No one knows your story better than you. No one will know your story unless you tell it. Topics discussed in this episode: 00:00 Intro 02:28 This passage resonated with a lot of people. It helps to take the fear out of evangelism - just tell yo...

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