C4 Innovations
Changing the Conversation
Welcome to Changing the Conversation! We discuss critical and timely topics focused on equity, homelessness, substance use, mental health, and trauma. Our hosts interview health and human service experts, researchers, and advocates. Conversations explore how we can adapt our systems to the rapidly changing landscape of social services.
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Jun 22, 2026
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Episodes
Motivational Interviewing 30: Larisa Traga 22.06.2026 17:19
"Clinicians…would learn EMDR, but they didn't know how to necessarily do it…there was a need for the how. So the EMDR is the what you do, and the MI is the how you do it." Expert Trainer Larisa Traga joins host Ali Hall to explore Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) and how it blends with other evidence-based practices like Motivational Interviewing (MI). This episode concludes ou...
Building Peer Support Services: Cherene Allen-Caraco 08.06.2026 58:33
"Relationships are complicated. Everybody is surviving. Everybody's trying to figure it out. My thought is if we can't figure it out in our space, how are we going to expect the community to figure it out? We have to dive into some really difficult things and do it through the lens of who we are and where we came from." Innovator Cherene Allen-Caraco considers her experiences and the challenge...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Maryanne Frangules 27.05.2026 14:34
"Most importantly, elevate lived experience. Policy is most effective when it's shaped by the people directly impacted. Remember Faces who are visible, Voices, who are vocal prove recovery is valuable." Recovery advocate Maryanne Frangules and host Livia Davis delve deep into the history of the Recovery Movement in Massachusetts, from her recovery journey in the 1970's to the founding of the Massa...
Care Farming: Andrea Barnhart & Kate Mudge 11.05.2026 22:35
"The core idea is the growing itself of food and working with the animals. It's there on a farm, it's building connection, it's building skills. It's empowering people, providing oftentimes a real dignity of work in ways that other more traditional services sometimes don't." Host Livia Davis chats with Andrea Barnhart and Kate Mudge, the co-directors of the Care Farming Network, about the potent...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Laura Van Tosh 27.04.2026 27:23
"There are people that have created those pathways for themselves. We have national leadership now. That national leadership may not have occurred if it were not for the local programs that were funded…10 years earlier." Long-time mental health peer activist Laura Van Tosh and host Livia Davis discuss the history of peer-run programs, the development of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Servic...
Motivational Interviewing 29: Kristin Dempsey 13.04.2026 16:33
"I love those chapters that are about genuineness, hope and empowerment. Those were just so beautiful to approach in terms of how to have such goodwill towards those we serve." Host Ali Hall and co-author Kristin Dempsey discuss their book Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers . Kristin Dempsey; website , MI Trainings Ali Hall; website , M...
Learning from Recovery Elders: LaVerne Miller 30.03.2026 21:57
"People like Howie the Harp and Sally Zinman... laid that fertile soil for those of us that have come after them, for us to really grow". Attorney and rights advocate LaVerne Miller joins host Livia Davis to discuss her experiences in the recovery movement, the lessons she has learned, and her hopes for the future of the movement. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed...
Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Tymber Hudson 16.03.2026 18:38
"Data is qualitative. Data is conversations...Data is lived experience." Policy advocate Tymber Hudson drops knowledge on the world of policy, how young people can become involved and how to avoid burnout as a person with lived experience in this conversation with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and recovery innovators discussing how to impro...
Motivational Interviewing 28: Kris Kelly 02.03.2026 20:16
How are Motivational Interviewing (MI) and Peer Support so well aligned? Peer advocate Kris Kelly and host Ali Hall consider the foundational components of autonomy, empathy, and more in this episode! Learn More: Kris Kelly; MINT Profile Great Lakes ATTC Upcoming Trainings Products and Resources Catalog Laura Saunders: MINT profile The Center for Health Enhancement Systems Studies (CHESS) at...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Shannon CrossBear 16.02.2026 18:09
What does healing look like from different perspectives, ways of knowing, and approaches? Indigenous elder Shannon CrossBear discusses her wellness journey and the lessons she has learned along the way with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today'...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Laurie Johnson-Wade 02.02.2026 19:58
"We have more power very often than we give ourselves credit for. And we have to keep ourselves educated on our options. Knowing our options also helps us with the ebbs and flows." Laurie Johnson-Wade shares her experiences starting and running a recovery community organization in Pennsylvania with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery le...
Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Elliott Hinkle 20.01.2026 19:47
"When the systems fall apart, how do I still show up for other people?... If I have a resource and you have a need, that's good enough to help you. It doesn't have to be justified beyond that." Elliott H inkle shares their experiences providing community aid to youth with a focus on LGBTQIA2S+ youth with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Mark Salzer 05.01.2026 24:34
"Recovery is the goal. Here's one way to pursue that goal...really promoting community inclusion, supporting people and having opportunities to live a life that they want to live and supporting them with funding." Mark Salzer shares insights on defining and measuring recovery and promoting meaningful community inclusion with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the w...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Judy Fox 15.12.2025 20:26
"Nobody wants to have a chronic illness and it's hard to acknowledge, but accepting it rather than fighting it and working on moving forward and celebrating the small increments of change...really makes a difference." Judy Fox shares insights on integrating peer recovery support services with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Conni Wells 01.12.2025 24:40
"Family peer support is the critical piece that cannot be missing... this is a family, this is a family in need, and this is a family who's going to have to have someone behind them all across the way." Conni Wells shares insights on f amily and caregiver peer support with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decad...
Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano Part 2 17.11.2025 20:29
" I hope that we can all get better at really authentic conversation and dialogue to build that trust so that there can be more investment in the youth peer movement to move forward." Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano discuss the history and current status of youth peer support with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and recovery innovators discuss...
Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano Part 1 03.11.2025 21:42
"Developing a focus on youth peer roles opened up a whole pathway to youth advocates to find purpose and energy in this space." Johanna Bergan and Gina Albano discuss the history and current status of youth peer support with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and recovery innovators discussing how to improve and uplift behavioral health systems...
Starting a Recovery Residence 20.10.2025 21:04
Fred Way and Katie Boardman discuss starting new recovery residences with host Ashley Stewart. Visit c4innovates.com , subscribe to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on LinkedIn and YouTube for more resources to grow your impact. Learn More Fred Way, Pennsylvania Alliance of Recovery Residences National Alliance for Recovery Residences MN Association of Sober Homes Access a...
Next Generation Recovery Leaders: John Dellick 06.10.2025 17:13
"In many ways, I saw myself as a bridge translating the lived experiences into something that could influence practice and policy...the story sharing brings the numbers to life. It gives emotion to all the data, context and it gives everybody a face. It's not just statistics, it's people's lives that we're talking about, and I feel like often that gets lost." John Dellick and host Rowan Willis-Gor...
Next Generation Recovery Leaders: Natalia Muñoz & Ash Wheeler 22.09.2025 23:33
"I think now is as great a time as ever to start this work. I think now is when more and more dangerous legislation is becoming part of our everyday, and I think that anything and everything that we can do as individuals to help offset that and empower future generations, I think it's my duty and my responsibility to do that." Natalia Muñoz and Ash Wheeler share insights about youth peer support a...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Bill Stauffer 08.09.2025 20:27
Bill Stauffer shares insights on recovery movement history and how current leaders can come together with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement. Visit c4innovates.com , subscribe to receive newsletter and training updates, a...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Harvey Rosenthal 25.08.2025 22:43
Harvey Rosenthal shares his perspectives about the rights of people in mental health recovery and the power of peer support with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement. Visit c4innovates.com , subscribe to receive newsletter...
Learning from Recovery Elders: Lonnetta Albright 11.08.2025 22:43
Lonnetta Albright shares insights about the recovery movement and peer support with host Livia Davis. This episode is second in a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement. Join us for future episodes! Visit c4innovates.com , subscribe to receive newsletter and training u...
Learning From Recovery Elders: Mark Jenkins 28.07.2025 22:42
Mark Jenkins shares his insights and experiences providing harm reduction services in Connecticut with host Livia Davis. This episode is first in a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today's recovery movement. Join us for future episodes! Visit c4innovates.com , subscribe to receive newslet...
Empowering Black Men in Leadership Part 2 14.07.2025 27:40
Keon Lewis and host Dwayne Watkins continue to discuss empowering Black men to be strong leaders while being mindful of challenges and strengthening mental health. Visit c4innovates.com , subscribe to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on LinkedIn , and YouTube for more resources to grow your impact. Learn More The Invisible Ache by Courtney B. Vance & Dr. Robin L. Smith Devel...
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