Bullhorns and Bullseyes

Brian Clark—founder of Copyblogger, the newsletter Further, and the newly launched Sovereign Startup—joins Tom and Curtis to make the case that an owned audience isn’t just a marketing channel, it’s a balance-sheet asset.  Drawing on two decades of building businesses on owned infrastructure, Brian introduces the portability test (can you take the list with you? can you take the content?) and expl...

Marketing strategist, author, and businessesgrow.com founder Mark Schaefer joins Tom and Curtis to make the case that brand is still the most durable competitive advantage a company can build—and that AI has made it more important, not less. Drawing on his books Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World and How AI Changes Your Customers, Mark explains why chasing AI visibility is largely...

Kristian A. Alomá, PhD — behavioral psychologist, founder and CEO of Threadline, and author of Start with the Story: Brand-Building in a Narrative Economy — returns to Bullhorns & Bullseyes for a second season to answer the harder follow-up question: once you have the customer truth, what do you actually do with it? Tom Nixon and Curtis Hays dig into signal loss, the STORY Framework, and why m...

Emily Bielak, Director at The Martec Group, returns to Bullhorns & Bullseyes to dig into the hidden costs of customer blind spots…and how behavioral research can expose them.  Building on the previous lesson with Will Leach, about the emotional nature of purchase decisions, Tom and Curtis bring  Emily in to explain what actually happens when companies think they already know their customer. Em...

Emily Bielak, Director at The Martec Group, returns to Bullhorns & Bullseyes to dig into the hidden costs of customer blind spots…and how behavioral research can expose them.  Building on the previous lesson with Will Leach, about the emotional nature of purchase decisions, Tom and Curtis bring  Emily in to explain what actually happens when companies think they already know their customer. Em...

Tom and Curtis welcome back Will Leach, best-selling author of Marketing to Mind States and founder of the Mindstate Group, for a deeper dive into how behavioral psychology and neuroscience should shape the way marketers think, message, and measure. Building on their previous conversation, this episode moves from theory toward practice, examining why even the most intellectually convinced marketer...

Season 3 kicks off by exploring marketing drift —the gradual (and often invisible) way businesses lose alignment with their customers over time. As AI makes it easier to execute faster and at scale, many companies are unknowingly accelerating that drift—amplifying the wrong message, chasing tactics, and increasing complexity. The result is what Tom and Curtis call the chaos tax : more activity, mo...

In the final episode of Season 2, Tom and Curtis look back on a year filled with heavyweight guests, big marketing themes, and unexpected insights. From the power of storytelling in a hyper-automated world to the challenges of attribution and algorithmic gatekeepers, they unpack the trends that shaped 2025…and explore what they’re betting on for 2026. They reflect on standout conversations with be...

Tom and Curtis welcome back one of the show’s most frequent and beloved guests: Mario D'Aquila , COO of Assisted Living Home Care Services. Together, they unpack what’s changed since his last appearance, including lessons learned from Performance Max campaigns, the nuance of sending the right conversion signals, and the often-overlooked role of sales ops in marketing efficiency.  Then Mario op...

Most businesses still think “privacy compliance” is a big-company problem—but the rules (and risks) say otherwise. In this episode, Amy L. Baddley, privacy and cybersecurity associate at Varnum LLP, joins Curtis and Tom to unpack what data privacy really means for every business owner. From cookie banners and compliance thresholds to the myths around “template” privacy policies, this episode is yo...

The traditional agency model is cracking—and Janet Tyler, co-founder and president of True Depth, says that’s a good thing. In this candid conversation with Curtis and Tom, the longtime agency leader and M&A advisor breaks down why the future belongs to smaller, smarter, tech-enabled teams. They dive into AI’s impact on creative services, what private equity really wants from agencies, and how...

Few people embody “audience-first” and “leading expert” like Brian Clark. In this conversation, the Copyblogger founder (now building Further and Leading Expert) traces how trust-driven publishing beat ads and algorithms then—and why it still wins now. He, Curtis and Tom get into building on owned land (email > everything), testing offers with lean content, and pairing lived expertise with AI w...

Few guests fit more naturally into the fading remnants of Season 2 of Bullhorns and Bullseyes than Kristian A. Alomá, PhD, founder and CEO of Threadline and author of Start with the Story: Brand-Building in a Narrative Economy . Kristian joins Tom and Curtis to unpack why consumers use brands to tell stories about identity, not just satisfy needs. He explains his Brand STORY Framework, the psychol...

In this episode, Tom and Curtis welcome Jesse Flores, Founder and Chief Web Pro at SuperWebPros, for a wide-ranging conversation on the fast-moving world of AI. From his first “this is different” moment with ChatGPT to the rise of personalized, conversational websites and open-source tools that let small teams punch above their weight, Jesse offers a front-row look at how AI is transforming busine...

In this episode, Tom and Curtis sit down with Mike Iley, COO of LoVasco Consulting Group, to unpack how the StoryBrand framework—and its roots in the Hero’s Journey—helped LoVasco shift from “look at us” to “we’re your guide,” clarifying their message across the website, sales, and internal comms. Expect practical, no-jargon advice on naming your customer’s problem first, using stronger calls to a...

In this episode, Curtis and Tom sit down with Gini Dietrich, founder and CEO of Spin Sucks and creator of the PESO Model®, to talk about how communications leaders can adapt in today’s “zero-click” reality. From rethinking attribution to building visibility with AI in mind, Gini shares why the PESO framework is no longer just a model, it’s becoming an operating system for modern marketing. The con...

Curtis and Tom sit down with Brendan Norman, CEO and co-founder of Classify, to talk about the future of digital advertising and why contextual targeting is making a comeback. Drawing from his experience launching Facebook’s Audience Network and scaling it to $3B in revenue, Brendan explains how Classify uses AI to go deeper than keywords and categories—ensuring the right ad shows up against the r...

Curtis and Tom welcome Nolan Reiter, Employer Branding Strategist at Scout Design, to unpack what employer branding really means…and why it matters now more than ever. Nolan shares how he helps companies move beyond job ads and recruitment campaigns to build authentic candidate experiences that align with culture and brand strategy. Nolan shares insights from client projects across industries, dis...

Funnel-based storyteller returns to the podcast to have a little fun. Challenge, with Curtis as “the client,” can Josh and Tom retell a fictitious brand’s story on the fly, with little input and using only their aligned methodologies? Tom’s going to encourage Curtis to lead with his client’s WHY; and Josh is sure to align the messaging with the tried-and-true sales/marketing funnel. Will they outp...

“Authentic” and “Storytelling” aren’t in “scare quotes” in the episode title. They are actually quoting two of the central themes of Season 2. (Also quoting Curtis a lot, we might add.) In this episode, he and Tom welcome Megan Sweigart from Kinetic Marketing Communications to thoroughly explore the significance of authentic storytelling in marketing. They discuss the innovative collective agency...

Tom finally gets his pudding and Curtis acquiesces. In this fun episode, we dive deep 🛎️ into the origins and evolution of a podcast launched to focus all on Yacht Rock. But this much more than exploring 🛎️ how he and his co-host—this week’s guest, Tom’s brother John—discovered the genre, the creation of modern Yacht Rock music, and their love of the music. No, this i all about the strategies they...

Tom and Curtis welcome Will Leach, best-selling author of Marketing to Mind States , to the show to explore the importance of understanding consumer behavior through the lens of behavioral psychology and neuroscience. Will discusses his Mind State Model, which emphasizes the significance of non-conscious factors in decision-making and how marketers can leverage this understanding to create more ef...

In the first-ever in-studio edition of Bullhorns and Bullseyes, Curtis and Tom welcome onto the set Doug Mans and Meghan Mans-Kurili, fourth- and fifth-generation members of the Mans family at the help of Mans Lumber and Home. Learn about the company’s secret to longevity, a story that spans 125 years, two world wars, two global pandemics, a housing bubble crisis, and even attempted arson! Learn h...

Consultant, author and educator Mark Schaefer joins the podcast to discuss his new book, " Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World.” Tune in to learn how to avoid the "economics of dull” and stand out in a world increasingly proliferated by the mundane. Mark emphasizes the need for courage in marketing, the significance of storytelling, and the role of community in building co...

In an episode replete with acronyms, Tom and Curtis welcome Nikki Little and Lexi Trimpe of Franco discuss the evolving landscape of public relations in the context of AI and digital marketing. They explore the significance of the PESO model, the resurgence of earned media, and the importance of quality content in the age of AI. They explore how information discovery is shifting, the necessity of...