Nina L. Kovner

BUILDING & BREAKING with Nina L. Kovner

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BUILDING & BREAKING with Nina L Kovner is a podcast about how brands are built, how trust is broken, and what it all means for salon owners, hairstylists, small business creatives and brands who give a damn. Each week, Nina takes you behind the scenes of brand strategy, leadership decisions, and real-world examples from inside and outside the beauty industry. With decades of experience building brands (and witnessing heartbreaking downfalls), Nina breaks down the moments that define a brand: the bold moves, the missed opportunities, the trust built, and lost. Whether you're leading a team, gro...

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Nina L. Kovner

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Business

Podcast website

passionsquared.net

Latest episode

Jun 14, 2026

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Episodes

Pro Beauty Brands: Trust, Brand Promises, and What Still Makes Them Professional 14.06.2026

The question keeps coming up: Are professional beauty brands dead? I've gotten it in DMs, in conversations, in industry circles for years. I shared a Reel a few months ago on the topic, and now we're going to talk about it in this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING. I'm not here to bash brands or anyone. That's not my style or vibe. The intention of this episode is to look at what's happening through...

Discernment: What 2026 Is Asking of Salons, Stylists, and Pro Beauty Brands 07.06.2026

After a long break and a lot of life, I'm back! In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, I share a personal update, then dive into the highlights of my 2026 Trends & Outlooks conversation, A Shift Toward Discernment, and why discernment is the word, the practice, and the strategy that matters most right now. This isn't about trends for trends' sake. It's about what I'm seeing across the professiona...

GUEST EPISODE: A Conversation with Katie, The Walmart Hairstylist 11.01.2026

On this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING , I sit down with Katie, the awesome hairstylist and content creator behind the TikTok account @walmarthairstylist , for a conversation I've been so excited to share with you! And an important note, I've shared before that I don't edit these podcasts, and that includes this one. We celebrate authenticity, realness and imperfection over here.  Late last year,...

The Internet: When Trust Was Traded for Attention 28.12.2025

Social media and the internet didn't just become part of our lives; they became a brand we were asked to trust. In this end-of-year episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, I step back from the noise to look at the internet and social platforms through a brand lens: the promise they made, why that promise mattered, and what happens when trust slowly erodes. This isn't an episode about blaming technology or...

ENCORE Madison Reed: Filling the Gap Between Box Color and Balayage with Clarity of Brand Story and Market Position 16.11.2025

I'm sharing this episode again because the salon industry continues to be confused about brand story, market position, and how that drives every decision you make for your salon business, including how you price your services. There is a market for everyone!  In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we take a closer look at how Madison Reed filled the gap between drugstore box color and major salon...

The Walmart Hairstylist: A Personal Brand Story of Care, Trust, and Value 09.11.2025

On this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING , I talk about a TikTok that showed up on my FYP and stopped me in my tracks: a hairstylist working inside a Walmart salon known as @walmarthairstylist At first glance, I thought it had to be AI. Not because I was judging her. But because I rarely see content that shows this level of care, communication, and client experience coming from a value-based salon o...

The Brand Lesson Beauty Pros Need To Understand from Costco, Trader Joe's & In-N-Out Burger 02.11.2025

In this Extended Encore episode, we're combining three episodes, from three iconic legacy brands, Trader Joe's, Costco, and In-N-Out Burger, and what they all share in common, and can teach every salon, stylist, and beauty professional about the truth that never changes: your salon brand story is your foundation. Each of these brands knows exactly what problems they are solving, how they solve tho...

Sundance Film Festival: How A Place Built A Brand and Why Leaving Changes Everything 26.10.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we're talking why the nostalgia macro trend has become one of the most powerful trust-building forces in business and why so many brands are leaning into the familiar, the simple, and the human. Through the story of Sundance Film Festival and its decision to leave Park City, Utah, we take a closer look at what happens when a brand abandons the very home that...

Apple: How Brand Clarity and Experience Design Built Trust and Reinvented An Industry 19.10.2025

Apple didn't just design products; they designed and consistently delivered an experience. In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING , we look at how Apple used brand story clarity and experience design to build trust, reinvent retail, capture a significant share of the computer market, and reshape an entire industry, and what happens when that trust starts to erode. In This Episode How Apple's brand...

Why I Resisted Creating My Personal Brand (And Why I Can't Anymore) 18.09.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we are doing something a little different. Instead of unpacking another company's brand story, I'm sharing my own brand evolution, moving from Passion Squared (a business brand) to Nina L. Kovner (my personal brand), and why I created MENTORED. with Nina L. Kovner. This isn't just a rebrand. It's me stepping into what I've resisted the most: my personal bran...

GAP: A Legacy Brand Finds Its Relevance Again by Reclaiming Its Soul 28.08.2025

In the 90s and early 2000s, GAP wasn't just a store; it was a cultural force. Then came overexpansion, distraction, and one of the most infamous logo fails in branding history. For years, GAP drifted in a sea of sameness, losing clarity and connection. But today, under the leadership of CEO Richard Dickson, GAP is staging a reclamation, not by chasing trends, but by staying true to its original br...

e.l.f. Cosmetics Revisited: The Broken Brand Promise We Didn't Expect 21.08.2025

In this short follow-up episode of BUILDING & BREAKING , we're revisiting e.l.f. Cosmetics, a brand we recently celebrated for its clarity, consistency, and connection with its audience. But something shifted. After releasing their most recent ad campaign that contradicted their values-forward brand and staying silent when their audience called it out, e.l.f. showed us just how fragile brand trust...

Red Lobster: Losing and Rebuilding Brand Trust, One Decision at a Time 14.08.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING , I'm diving into the story of Red Lobster's recent comeback and what it teaches us about brand clarity, decision-making, leadership, and trust. From the chaos of the Endless Shrimp promotion to the arrival of new CEO Damola Adamolekun, this isn't a story about flashy reinvention or performative PR. It's about showing up, listening, simplifying, and making de...

Rihanna & Fenty: The Power of a Personal Brand in Business, Leadership, and Building Trust 07.08.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we take a closer look at Rihanna, not just as an artist, but as a personal brand that has redefined what it means to lead, serve, and build businesses that matter. We explore how Rihanna's brand began with a purpose, to challenge the lack of representation in beauty and culture, and how that clarity shaped everything from Fenty Beauty to Savage X Fenty. This...

Southwest Airlines: What Happens When You Abandon What Made Your Brand Different 31.07.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we take a closer look at how Southwest Airlines went from beloved to broken, by abandoning the very promises that made them different. Southwest wasn't built by analysts. It was built by Herb Kelleher, a rebellious, people-first founder who believed business and air travel could be joyful, human, and accessible. From the single aircraft model to the "bags fl...

Madison Reed: Filling the Gap Between Box Color and Balayage with Clarity of Brand Story and Market Position 24.07.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we take a closer look at how Madison Reed filled the gap between drugstore box color and major salon transformations by knowing exactly who they serve, what those clients value, and how to deliver consistency at scale. Madison Reed isn't stealing your clients. They're speaking directly to the consumer who values the solutions they offer. We explore how their...

e.l.f. Cosmetics: Low Price, High Value, and The Possible White Space in Pro Beauty 17.07.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we're diving into the brand story of e.l.f. Cosmetics, the brand proving that low price doesn't have to mean low value. From launching $1 products in 2004 to becoming one of beauty's fastest-growing brands, e.l.f. shows how clarity of brand story and market position drives trust, connection, and growth, even at the lowest price points. In This Episode Why va...

The Fundamentals of Brand Story and Building Trust From Costco to Taylor Swift (and Beyond) 10.07.2025

In this 10 th episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we're recapping the first nine episodes by connecting the dots between Costco, Starbucks, In-N-Out, Taylor Swift, Aveda, Olaplex, Trader Joe's, Drybar, and Target. From warehouse giants to pop icons, these brands might look different, but the fundamentals that build or break trust are universal. In this special recap episode, we're unpacking a few of t...

Drybar: How Simplicity Built A Brand And Inconsistencies Are Testing Its Promise 03.07.2025

Drybar didn't invent the blowout, but they turned it into a brand with a crystal-clear promise: No cuts. No color. Just blowouts. Drybar built a business and brand on simplicity, consistency, and solving one real and relevant problem for busy people who wanted beautiful hair without the hassle. But as Drybar grew, fast and wide, the cracks began to show. Ownership and leadership changes, selling o...

Olaplex: How a Brand Built on Bonds Can Rebuild Trust with Salons and Hairstylists 26.06.2025

Olaplex didn't just create a product, it created a category. It provided stylists a new language around hair health and made the salon pro, at every level, feel more confident, understood, and seen. But as the brand scaled and shifted toward the consumer market, something got lost: connection and community. In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, we explore how one of the most iconic and beloved b...

ENCORE Costco: A Masterclass In Trust, Brand Promises, and Lifetime Team and Member Value 19.06.2025

We're off this week, so please enjoy an encore of the first episode of BUILDING & BREAKING in case you missed it. Be back next week with a new episode! In the premiere episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina dives deep into one of the greatest brand loyalty stories of our time: Costco. Through personal reflections as a newer Costco member (yet longtime studier of the brand) and decades of experience...

In-N-Out Burger: The Power of Simplicity, Brand Strategy, and Staying in Your Lane 12.06.2025

This week, we're driving straight into the In-N-Out experience, a brand that's never chased trends, but instead chose clarity, consistency, and connection. No chicken sandwiches. No seasonal drops. Just a focused menu, a powerful brand promise, and systems that deliver, over and over again. In This Episode: Why In-N-Out's brand promise is embedded into every experience The power of a simplified me...

Trader Joe's: How Brand Story Creates Connection & Builds Trust Through Every Decision 05.06.2025

Trader Joe's isn't just about $3.99 flowers or dark chocolate peanut butter cups, it's a masterclass in brand clarity and alignment. In this episode, we break down how every decision they make, from no delivery to no self-checkout to no coupons, is driven by their brand story (which includes brand promises), and why it keeps us coming back (even with those chaotic parking lots). Because brand clar...

Starbucks: How Losing Focus On The Brand Experience Cost Them Barista & Customer Trust 29.05.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina unpacks Starbucks: the iconic brand that built its success on human connection and consistent experience, and what happens every time it drifts away from that brand promise. From Howard Schultz's bold 2008 shutdown all U.S. stores to reconnect with the baristas and Starbucks experience, to this year's decision to cut 30% of the menu, Starbucks follows a...

Taylor Swift: How Storytelling, Emotional Connection, and Healthy Boundaries Built A Personal Brand 22.05.2025

In this episode of BUILDING & BREAKING, Nina breaks down one of the most iconic personal brands in the world, Taylor Swift. This isn't a fangirl episode (though Nina is a Swiftie, duh). This is about a personal brand and consistent leadership, grounded in brand clarity, emotional connection, and healthy boundaries. From how Taylor speaks the language of her audience to how she uses storytelling to...

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