Cliff Hudson and Craig Miller
Bricks and Clicks
What does it really take to lead a legacy brand into the digital era—and keep it thriving? Why do some companies succeed, and others don’t? Bricks and Clicks is a masterclass in modern business strategy and transformational growth. Hosted by Cliff Hudson, former CEO of Sonic Drive-In, and Craig Miller, veteran strategist and technology leader, this podcast explores how traditional businesses can evolve, innovate, and lead in a fast-changing world. Each episode features actionable in-depth discussions with visionary executives, digital pioneers, and brand builders who are redefining what it...
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Dec 2, 2025
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Episodes
A Universal Playbook for Brand-Building in the 21st Century 02.12.2025 32:30
Former Sonic CEO Cliff Hudson and tech executive Craig Miller (ex-CIO, Planet Fitness & Sonic) distills five critical takeaways from their series on integrating technology with brand strategy. They argue that genuine customer value creation – driving top-line growth and operator profit – is non-negotiable in the 21st century. Drawing on Sonic’s transformation (from $1B to $5.5B+ in sales fue...
The Messy Middles: Navigating the Organizational Conflict of Digital Transformation 18.11.2025 30:35
When legacy brands pivot to digital, the path is rarely linear. In this candid discussion, Sonic Drive-In’s former CEO Cliff Hudson and executives Craig Miller and Eddie Saroch dissect the turbulent rollout of their 21st-century "Integrated Customer Engagement" (ICE) strategy—a web of interdependent tech initiatives from POS systems to mobile apps and data-driven marketing. Hudson reveals how Soni...
New World, New Challenges, New Opportunities: Rewiring Legacy for the Digital Era 04.11.2025 44:03
Sonic Drive-In’s former CEO Cliff Hudson and tech strategist Craig Miller reveal how they defied restaurant industry norms to build a future-proof digital platform years before COVID-19. Joined by ThoughtWorks leaders Brandon Byars and Ryan Murray, they unpack Sonic’s gamble: upgrading legacy systems leveraging emerging technologies, and integrating all data sources to create seamless customer e...
Retooling the Enterprise, Taking it to Scale: Navigating the Hazards of Large-Scale Execution 21.10.2025 48:14
Former Sonic Drive-In CEO Cliff Hudson and cohost Craig Miller get together with key architects John Budd and Christina Vaughan to dissect one of retail’s most ambitious transformations: retrofitting 3,500 drive-ins with integrated POS, digital menu boards, and customer tech following the Great Recession. They reveal how the team navigated franchisee skepticism, change management, overnight instal...
The Medium is the Modus Operandi: Sonic Drive-In’s Media Revolution 07.10.2025 38:43
How a fast-food giant rewrote its playbook for the digital media era. Former Sonic CEO Cliff Hudson and co-host Craig Miller reunites with media strategist Rob Jayson (USIM) to dissect Sonic’s landmark 2012 media pivot. Facing a franchise crisis in untapped markets, they shifted most ad dollars from local coops to a controversial national fund—overcoming franchisee resistance that unleashed a run...
The Digital Plumbing: How Sonic’s Technology Overhaul Turbocharged Momentum 23.09.2025 32:18
When outdated tech throttles growth, what’s the fix? For Sonic Drive-In franchise giant DL Rogers Group – operating 269+ stores – the answer was ripping out legacy systems and installing "new digital plumbing." Host Cliff Hudson and former Sonic tech chief Craig Miller dissect the transformation with James Junkin, whose franchise group pioneered Sonic’s ice cream revolution. Junkin reveals how ove...
Innovation Is Not A Luxury: Rewriting the QSR Playbook 09.09.2025 31:24
Fast-food legend Robert Rosenberg — architect of Dunkin’s global expansion — joins Sonic’s Cliff Hudson and tech leader Craig Miller to dissect the unbreakable link between innovation, convenience, and survival in quick-service restaurants. Rosenberg reveals how Dunkin’ turned doughnut scraps into the billion-dollar Munchkin phenomenon during the 1970s oil crisis, while Domino’s boardroom bets on...
Fortune Favors the Prepared: Sonic’s Billion-Dollar Timing 26.08.2025 35:00
Former CEO Cliff Hudson and franchisee Buddy McClain unpack Sonic’s 20-year tech evolution—from skeptics to industry leaders. They reveal how early credit card readers boosted tickets by 40%, why legacy POS systems nearly crippled growth, and how integrating a proprietary mobile app unlocked a competitive advantage for the brand. The payoff? When COVID hit, Sonic’s pre-pandemic mobile investment t...
Sonic Accelerates Growth in the Digital Age: $1B (1997) to $5.8B (2021) 12.08.2025 24:55
Former Sonic CEO Cliff Hudson and tech architect Craig Miller reveal how a digital transformation—sparked by Hudson’s 2004 'techno-oval' customer-engagement vision propelled the drive-in chain to $5.8B. They detail overcoming legacy 'tech debt,' leveraging Sonic’s unique 25-stall drive-in model to dominate app-based convenience and scaling integrated POS/mobile systems across 3,600 stores. Despite...
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