Both Sides of the Fence

A family can be loud, loving, and full of funny childhood stories, then get shattered in seconds by one disclosure. During Pride Month, we’re joined by Derek’s parents, Billy and Gail, for a conversation they never expected to share publicly: what happened after Derek was sexually assaulted as a small child, and what it took for all of us to survive the years that followed. We talk about the signs...

Fear spreads fastest when people think the “other side” is abstract. That’s why our conversation with Anya Marino lands so hard: she brings both lived experience and deep legal expertise to questions that usually get reduced to slogans. Anya is a transgender woman, a national legal advocate for transgender and non-binary rights, and Miss Gay America Femme 2026, and she helps us separate what the C...

In this episode of Both Sides of the Fence, Derek McCance and Jennifer McIntyre sit down with Lenny McAllister Jr., a conservative Black leader, political commentator, media host, and author of the upcoming book A Venn Diagram of One, set to release in August 2026. Known for his work across newspapers, digital media, radio, and television, Lenny brings a powerful and unique perspective to today’s...

n this deeply personal and emotional episode of Both Sides of the Fence, co-hosts Jennifer McIntyre and Derek McCance sit down with Jennifer’s daughter, Nayeli McIntyre, to talk openly about one of the most difficult chapters their family has ever faced.  Together, they discuss Nayeli’s struggles during her pre-teen years with gender dysphoria, depression, and self-harm, and the fear, confusion, i...

In Episode 3, our guest, Tim Motte, served 25 years as a state police officer, fighting narcotics and firearm trafficking. Tim Motte has been a member of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard. He has also served our country for 3 years of active duty in 43 countries, and also served his country on 9/11 as a first responder to Flight 93. Tim Motte has a charity called  Gunny's Ridge Veteran and...

Episode 1: Welcome to Both Sides of the Fence In our very first episode, co-hosts Derek McCance Castro and Jennifer McIntyre introduce Both Sides of the Fence, a podcast built on the idea that meaningful conversations don’t require agreement… just a willingness to listen. We share the thought process behind launching the podcast, what we hope to accomplish, and the mission driving every episode: c...

Episode 2: Questions That Can’t Be Answered… or Answers That Can’t Be Questioned? In this episode of Both Sides of the Fence , co-hosts Derek McCance Castro and Jennifer McIntyre are joined by longtime friend Tiffany Culp for a candid conversation on some of the most polarizing issues shaping our world in 2026. Together, they share unfiltered perspectives, challenge assumptions, and explore what i...

Both Sides of the Fence is a bi-weekly (except for two part episodes, which are weekly) podcast hosted by two unlikely allies who represent deeply different lived experiences and worldviews—yet share a commitment to honest dialogue, empathy, and respect. Derek McCance – A respected gay male business owner and active community leader Jennifer McIntyre – A conservative mother, oil and gas industry p...