Beyond the Score with John Kleeman

As AI reshapes the workplace, organizations need better ways to prove people have the skills required to do the job, not just that they’ve completed training. In this episode of Beyond the Score , Mike Bollinger of Cornerstone OnDemand joins us to explore how assessment, skills, and AI are converging to redefine workforce readiness.  The conversation looks at why demonstrated competence is replaci...

From scaling PSI through 30+ acquisitions to reshaping assessment delivery, Assessment Industry Executive Steve Tapp joins John Kleeman for a powerful conversation. Steve offers powerful reflections on leadership, company culture, and the importance of keeping both your clients and your people at the center of every strategic decision.

To kick off the first episode of our revamped podcast series, host John Kleeman goes beyond the score with Melissa Loble, Chief Academic Officer at Instructure, who shares the three pillars guiding Instructure’s AI strategy; opportunities for making AI an enabler of lifelong learning; and how AI is being used to empower people, not replace them.

In this episode of Unlocking the Potential of Assessments , John Kleeman sits down with Timothy McClinton , CEO of Meazure Learning , to explore the future of remote proctoring and its impact on the assessment industry. Tim shares insights on how Meazure Learning has evolved, the role of AI in improving test security, and the importance of providing flexible, secure, and inclusive testing solution...

Join host John Kleeman in an insightful conversation with Dr. Ada Woo , VP of Innovative Learning Sciences at Ascend Learning and seasoned expert in assessment and psychometrics. Dr. Woo shares her journey from aspiring clinical psychologist to becoming a leading figure in the assessment industry. They discuss various topics like the role of psychometrics, the importance of fair and reliable asses...

Join host John Kleeman in an insightful conversation with Carla Aerts, a trailblazer in the reinvention of education. Carla, with an unconventional journey from the performing arts to education technology, shares her accidental foray into the sector and delves into the importance of making impactful contributions to teaching and learning. Carla explains what "perfect EdTech" looks like to her and...

John Kleeman welcomes Sonny Yuen, Senior Director of Product Strategy at Workday, to discuss the value of assessments in the world of e-learning and corporate learning. Sonny's impressive background includes roles at major e-learning companies, and he shares insights into the field. Together, they delve into the significance of assessments in the learning process and how assessments are integral t...

Host John Kleeman is joined by John Weiner, an expert in the assessment industry with four decades of experience. Until recently, he was Chief Science Officer at PSI, and now has the same role at its parent company, Lifelong Learner Holdings. They explore the evolution of assessments from paper-based to technology-driven, highlighting shifts in workplace demands and educational needs. John shares...

Host John Kleeman is joined by Mark Lynch, co-founder of Learnosity, a leading assessment technology company. Mark shares his accidental entry into the field of education and assessment, starting with his work on an assessment engine for the New South Wales Board of Education. He discusses the growth of Learnosity, highlighting their focus on solving hard problems and their early success in delive...

We had the privilege of hosting Matt Wingfield, a renowned expert in the field of assessments and a Chairman of the e-Assessment Association. Speaking with our host, John Kleeman, Matt shares valuable insights into the world of e-assessment and its implications for education, certification and professional development. From an overview of the e-Assessment Association and its mission to promote and...

Maria Hamdani, Vice President of Assessment and Research at the Center for Measurement Justice, joins John Kleeman to discuss the role of assessments in promoting equity and justice in education and employment. She shares her insights on how assessments can be designed and administered in a way that is fair and unbiased, and how they can be used to identify and address systemic barriers to educati...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Norihisa Wada, executive adviser of EduLab in Japan, and director of the Japan Institute for Educational Measurement. Nori has experience with AI-driven voice recognition and has worked with Carnegie Mellon University and Kyoto University. He is also involved in EdTech investment. Delve into his insights on assessment and his background in the industr...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Dr. Gary A. Gates, the Managing Director of Pearson VUE. Originally a nuclear physicist, Dr. Gates details his journey into the world of assessments. He discusses his key priorities going into his second year leading Pearson, the future of test centers during the rise of online proctoring and whether new AI technology is harmful or helpful to proctori...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Mike Olsen, the CEO and Founder of Proctorio. Mike discusses what drove him to create a company focused on proctoring, how it has expanded beyond the education sector, and how the tool can be used to address test fraud. 

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Professor Phillip Dawson, the Associate Director of the Centre for Research in Assessment and Digital Learning (CRADLE) at Australia's Deakin University. With an academic background in education, artificial intelligence and cybersecurity, he leads CRADLE's work on cheating, academic integrity and assessment security. This work spans hacking and cheati...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Thomas Goettsche, SAP Certification Principal Production and Psychometrics Consultant. A trained psychologist, he has designed key performance indicators, e-learning programs, best practice standards and much more over the course of his career. Thomas identifies the intrinsic value of certifications, his contributions as a member of SAP's development...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Dylan Wiliam, Emeritus Professor of Educational Assessment at University College London. Dylan's academic work is focused on the use of assessment to support learning. A leader in formative assessment, he explains that testing can go beyond just measuring a student's learning as it can also be used to improve it. Dylan also shares his thoughts on test...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Isabel Nisbet, Affiliated Lecturer at the University of Cambridge. Isabel discusses the two fundamentals of fairness, the importance of public confidence in educational assessment and shares her thoughts on the steady push for test-optional college admissions in the US.

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Will Thalheimer, Principal at TiER1. Will details his 30-year journey to becoming a learning expert, which started as an instructional designer, trainer, and simulation architect. He explains which key findings from learning science we should put into practice, the four pillars of learning effectiveness, and the best way to evaluate how effective lear...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary Siddhartha Gupta, CEO of Mercer | Mettl. Over the course of his career, Sid held key leadership positions at some of the most prestigious global IT companies. It was during that time that he discovered the niche of assessments and eventually moved to Mercer | Mettl. Sid shares his opinion on technology and bias, assessment innovation, and Mercer | Mett...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary Suzanne Heiob, the Global Certification Product Owner of SAP, who began her journey with the company as a student. Among her responsibilities, she oversees the product roadmap and keeps an eye on market trends to ensure that they are adopted into the program. Suzanne shares her thoughts on the best practices and future of certification programs, along...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Andre Allen, Managing Member and Executive Vice President of FifthTheory, who has over 23 years of continuous experience in the test publishing industry. Andre has pioneered many of the technologies that are the basis for many of the assessment delivery and scoring options for today. Andre shares how he got into assessment and discusses how you can as...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Linda Anguish, SPHR, Director of Accreditation Services at the Institute for Credentialing Excellence (ICE). She is responsible for the accreditation programs at ICE including the NCCA, ACAP and ICE’s newest accreditation program for ISO 17024 compliance. Linda shares how she got into assessment and credentialing and discusses the advantages of creden...

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Stephen Sireci, Professor in the Psychometrics Program and Director, Center for Educational Assessment at University of Massachusetts Amherst. His work is well known in the world of assessment. Steve shares how he got into assessment and discusses his research around validity, the five sources for validity evidence and his good practice advice.

John Kleeman is joined by assessment luminary, Jarrod Morgan, Founder of ProctorU (now known as Meazure Learning) and Chief Strategy Officer. Jarrod has been a leader in the educational technology field for over 16 years. Jarrod shares how he got started in assessment and discusses all things proctoring, including where he sees proctoring going, good practices in remote proctoring and the human fi...