Beyond Billable Podcast

This is an English summary of my conversation with Lucienne van der Geld, managing director of Netwerk Notarissen and lecturer in notarial law at Radboud University. Lucienne occupies a unique position in the debate on legal AI. She strongly believes in the importance of human judgement, empathy, and independence in the legal profession. At the same time, she is one of the driving forces behind AI...

In deze aflevering spreek ik met Lucienne van der Geld, directeur van Netwerk Notarissen en docent notarieel recht aan de Radboud Universiteit. Lucienne neemt een bijzondere positie in binnen het debat over juridische AI. Ze gelooft sterk in het belang van menselijk oordeel, empathie en onafhankelijkheid in het juridische vak. Tegelijkertijd is ze een van de drijvende krachten achter de AI adoptie...

Martin Woodward spent over a decade as a lawyer at one of the larger Dutch firms. Now he's Randstad's Global Responsible AI Officer, and he has a blunt prediction: he'd be very surprised if the traditional law firm model survives the next few years unchanged. Pim sits down with Martin to talk about what AI is doing to legal work, told from inside a company that's already deep into it. Randstad use...

Pim had been curious for a while about the story behind Ari Kaplan the tall, energetic New Yorker known for hosting legal innovation events around the world. So, last year, during Lexpo 2025- The Legal Innovation Event he decided to sit down with him and find out.  t turns out Ari has spent decades tracking the legal sector as a lawyer, writer, researcher, speaker, and host of one of the deep...

Artificial intelligence is forcing law firms to confront a question many have avoided for decades. What happens when the billable hour stops being the carrier of value? In this episode of Beyond Billable, Pim Betist speaks with Frans Post, a seasoned financial leader in the legal industry with more than thirty years of experience inside major international law firms. Frans began his career at Clif...

More regulation. More work. Higher expectations. And somehow, still the same sized legal teams. Sound familiar? In this episode of Beyond Billable, I speak with Sarah about why pressure on legal departments keeps compounding and why technology alone will not get them out of it. She offers a strikingly simple answer to a question many legal professionals are wrestling with right now. Which parts of...

hrist’l Dullaert stelt al decennialang de fundamenten van de juridische beroepsgroep ter discussie, lang voordat AI onderdeel werd van het dagelijkse werk van advocaten en juristen. Zij is jurist, rechtsfilosoof, columnist en auteur van tien boeken, en was een van de eerste stemmen over innovatie in de Nederlandse juridische sector. In dit gesprek onderzoeken we waarom juristen veranderingen vaak...

Christ’l Dullaert has been questioning the foundations of the legal profession long before AI became part of everyday legal work. Lawyer, legal philosopher, columnist, and author of ten books, she was one of the earliest voices on innovation in the Dutch legal sector. In this conversation, we explore why lawyers often understand change intellectually but still fail to act, why AI committees are to...

In this episode of Beyond Billable, Pim Betist talks with Knut Magnar Annestad, founder of the legal AI platform Saga and legal process engineer. Knut Magnar shares his journey from lawyer to entrepreneur and explains why improving legal work often clashes with the billable hour model. He reflects on the moments where doing things better was seen as a threat rather than progress, and why that neve...

In this episode of Beyond Billable – Driving Conversations , Pim Betist takes Arne van Oosterom for a drive to explore what transformation really means in the age of AI. Arne is the founder of DesignThinkers Group , known for helping global organisations navigate change and reimagine their cultures. Together, they unpack how law firms and legal departments can adapt before disruption forces their...

For this Driving Conversation, I take Rutger Lambriex for a spin. After more than twenty-five years with EY Law and HVG, including a decade in New York as managing partner, he recently joined Venturis Consulting Group. We unpack the question every firm should be asking: “How will we earn our money in five years?” Topics we cover: •⁠ ⁠The client–firm win–win matrix: where sustainable value act...

Onze host Pim Betist bespreekt met Steven ter Horst van Houthoff hoe het topkantoor vroeg inzette op generatieve AI en dit succesvol wist te verankeren in een first mover advantage. Steven deelt lessen over adoptie, harde cijfers en waarom een multi-tool stack onmisbaar is. We behandelen: Hoe Houthoff een early mover werd met generatieve AI Hoe een gedisciplineerde uitrol eruitziet (training, “use...

Our host Pim Betist is joined by Steven ter Horst of Houthoff to unpack how a top-tier firm moved early on generative AI and made it stick. Steven shares adoption lessons, hard numbers, and why a multi-tool stack is essential.  We cover: How Houthoff became an early mover with generative AI What a disciplined rollout looks like (training, “use it or lose it,” measurable adoption) Why you curr...

In this episode our host Pim Betist is joined by Suzanne van der Klip, a lawyer who built her career in corporate practice before stepping into the world of legal innovation. At A&O Shearman she helped pioneer the firm’s first innovation team, explored the potential of legal tech from its early days, and was closely involved in developing tools like Contract Matrix that brought AI straight int...

In this episode of Beyond Billable: Driving Conversations, I sit down with Hans Albers, Director of Legal Management Consulting at Deloitte in the Netherlands. With senior roles at Juniper Networks and Cisco behind him, Hans has seen the in-house counsel role from every angle — balancing risk with growth, living with the consequences of legal advice, and navigating the unrelenting pressures of reg...

In this episode, Pim Betist sits down with Dick van Lankeren Matthes, founder of Shift Upgrade. With 18 years of experience as a finance lawyer, including as Head of the Transaction Innovation team at Loyens & Loeff, Dick knows the legal world inside out and he’s on a mission to change it. We discuss why he left big law to help firms and legal departments do things differently. His focus: maki...

In deze aflevering gaat Pim Betist in gesprek met gedragsdeskundige en adviseur voor juristen Marloes ter Huurne over waarom verandering in de juridische sector niet alleen over technologie gaat, maar vooral ook over mindset. We bespreken: •Waarom in jezelf geloven een superkracht is voor juristen •De verborgen schade van motivatie door angst en hoe je echte veiligheid creëert •Hoe je een psycholo...

In this episode Pim Betist sits down with behavioral expert and advisor to legal professionals Marloes ter Huurne to talk about why change in the legal sector isn’t just about tech, but also about mindset. We cover: - Why believing in yourself is a superpower for lawyers - The hidden damage of “stick” motivation and how to build real trust - How to create a psychologically safe culture (and why it...

In this episode, I talk with Jeroen Plink, co-founder of Legal Tech Hub, recorded at Lexpo 2025. We explore why generative AI isn’t just another legal tech tool but a true game-changer for the industry. Jeroen explains how law firms can move from selling hours to building scalable legal products—and why that shift is both urgent and challenging. We discuss the cultural hurdles, the need for real s...

In deze aflevering van Beyond Billable zitten we bij Lexpo met Douwe Groenevelt om te praten over zijn confronterende korte film  Barney, the End of Lawyers . Een project dat hij volledig met behulp van AI heeft gemaakt. Op het eerste gezicht lijkt Douwe de typische legaltech-evangelist: een oud-advocaat die AI promoot als de toekomst van het vak. Maar dit gesprek onthult een veel complexere...

In this episode of  Beyond Billable , we sit down with Douwe Groenevelt at Lexpo to discuss his provocative short film  Barney, the End of Lawyers.  A project he created entirely using AI. On the surface, Douwe might look like the archetypal legal-tech evangelist: a former lawyer championing AI as the future of the profession. But this conversation reveals a more complex truth. Douw...

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In deze aflevering van  Beyond Billable  gaat Pim Betist in gesprek met Mirjam van der Sluis, hoofd staf en innovatie bij de Gemeente Amsterdam en winnaar van de Gouden Zandloper. Mirjam is geen denker aan de zijlijn, maar een leider die complexe ideeën vertaalt naar tastbare verandering. Terwijl veel organisaties nog worstelen met de vraag wat AI voor hen betekent, heeft zij – samen met...

In this episode of  Beyond Billable , host Pim Betist sits down with Mirjam van der Sluis, Head of Staff and Innovation at the Municipality of Amsterdam and recipient of the prestigious Gouden Zandloper award. Mirjam isn’t just imagining the future of legal work—she’s building it. Together, they explore how Mirjam and her team turned a “treasure trove of information” into practical, AI-powere...