Between Sundays

What happens when a pastor experiences devastating failure, walks away from ministry, and believes his calling is over? In this deeply personal episode of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper sit down with Pastor Chad Smith of The Pointe Church in Toccoa, Georgia. What begins as a conversation about church growth and pastoral succession quickly becomes a r...

In this episode of Between Sundays, the conversation travels to Jamaica as the hosts welcome Bishop Roy Notice, National Administrative Bishop of the New Testament Church of God in Jamaica. Bishop Notice shares the remarkable story of the Church of God in Jamaica, a movement born from humble, persecuted beginnings that has grown into one of the largest and most influential churches in the Caribbea...

In this episode of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper welcome Phil Cook, President of Lee University, for a candid conversation about faith, leadership, Christian higher education, and the move of God among the next generation. Dr. Cook shares his personal ministry journey, his deep Church of God roots, and how Lee University became a place of healing, c...

In this special edition of Between Sundays, Lori Lewis, Sandra Livingston, Barbie Cooper, and Sandra Kay Williams speak directly to navigating the demands of marriage, ministry, motherhood, leadership, caregiving, and personal faith. They reflect on the pressures of unrealistic expectations, the challenge of finding balance, the importance of boundaries, and the grace of God that sustains us throu...

In this powerful episode of Between Sundays, the crew welcomes Bishop Ishmael Charles, Field Director for the Caribbean, for a conversation about prayer, missions, mentorship, and the life-changing power of investment in others. Bishop Charles shares the remarkable story of a prayer movement that began during COVID with a small group on Zoom and has now grown into a global daily gathering reaching...

In this episode of Between Sundays, Mark Williams is joined by Dr. Gary Lewis, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper for a wide-ranging conversation with Dr. Fijoy Johnson: church planter, lifelong Church of God minister, and the newly appointed Director of Intercultural Ministries. Dr. Johnson shares his journey from India to the United States, lessons learned from planting a church while working fu...

In this episode of Between Sundays, the hosts welcome Pastor Amy McGlamery, co-pastor of North Cleveland Church of God, for a timely conversation about calling, leadership, young adults, and the growing discipleship gap in today’s church. Pastor Amy shares her personal journey—how North Cleveland has been woven into her story for years, and speaks candidly about embracing God’s call, especially as...

Recorded live at the We Gather weekend on the campus of Mount Paran Church of God in Atlanta, this special episode tackles a question every pastor faces: How do we lead people through crisis without letting crisis lead the pulpit? From national tragedies to local trauma, the hosts discuss preaching a timely word, resisting “reactive preaching,” and offering a biblical perspective in a world floode...

In this special episode of Between Sundays, the hosts are joined by their spouses on the campus of Mount Paran Church of God in Atlanta, Georgia. Together, they talk candidly about what it looks like to stay healthy in a 24/7 calling; how they unwind, how they protect marriage and family time, and how they’ve learned to embrace the different seasons of ministry life. Watch and Subscribe to the Vid...

In this episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Trey Powell shares his incredible journey of returning to pastor the church where he grew up. It's a story of faith, family legacy, and God’s perfect timing. From nearly “burning down the church” in a youth drama to leading that same congregation years later, Trey reflects on God’s preparation through seasons of growth and calling. The hosts and Trey disc...

In this inspiring episode of Between Sundays, the hosts welcome Pastor Brittney Parete of Oak Grove Church of God. Her journey is one of faith, obedience, and courage—answering God’s call amid tragedy and uncertainty. At just 25 years old, Brittany and her husband Joe stepped into leadership following the unexpected passing of her grandfather, who pastored the church for 36 years. Brittany shares...

In this live-recorded episode of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper gather at Princeton Pike Church during We Gather Cincinnati for a discussion on ministry in today’s fragmented culture. Together, they address the rise of spiritual warfare, the pressures pastors face in an increasingly divided world, and the urgency of preaching God’s Word without compr...

In this episode of Between Sundays, Dr. Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper dive into one of the most urgent realities of ministry today: spiritual warfare and the return of Christ. From the growing darkness in culture to the subtle deception creeping into pulpits, the conversation explores the challenges pastors face in preparing their people for the Lord’s imminent retu...

In Episode 11 of Between Sundays, the hosts welcome Pastor Clinton Ruddock of New Life Church in Sunrise, Florida. Pastor Ruddock shares his journey from the Caribbean to New York, and eventually to planting and leading a thriving congregation in Florida for over 30 years. Together, the panel dives into essential ministry priorities—placing preaching and teaching the Word of God at the forefront,...

In this episode of Between Sundays, Dr. Lamar Vest joins hosts Mark Williams, David Cooper, Loran Livingston, and Gary Lewis for a conversation about engaging Scripture in today's shifting culture. Dr. Vest reflects on his journey, from serving as general overseer of the Church of God to becoming the first Pentecostal president of the American Bible Society, and the divine calling to move beyond s...

In this heartfelt and humorous episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Demetrius Presley joins the hosts to share his journey as the leader of the 910 Livingston Street Church of God in downtown Orlando. From taking the reins of a 100-year-old legacy church during COVID to pastoring with authenticity in a rapidly changing culture, Pastor Presley opens up about the power of consistency, the challenge of...

In this powerful episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Josue Collins shares the inspiring journey of launching a church in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. What began with simple conversations over coffee and soccer games became a Spirit-led movement of renewal, rooted in community and sustained by calling. The hosts discuss the realities of bivocational ministry, small beginnings, setbacks, and how God use...

On this special Between Sundays episode, we’re live from We Gather Pastors Weekend in Baltimore Maryland. Gary, Loran, Mark, and David discuss a wide number of topics, including: Surviving burnout in ministry Navigating pain at home while leading Long-term pastoral health & boundaries Loving your city back to life Plus, an incredible story from Pastor Billy Humphrey, founder of City of Refuge...

In this profoundly moving episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Caleen Howard shares her extraordinary journey of faith, obedience, and resilience. From the call that led her and her husband from Toronto to Evanston, Illinois, to the unimaginable tragedy that changed everything, Pastor Howard speaks with grace and clarity about the cost—and power—of saying “yes” to God. If you’ve ever wondered how to...

Between Sundays Podcast - Episode 5: The Power of Generosity Listen to candid conversations about stewardship, generosity, and the transformative power of giving in ministry. You'll hear testimonies, including how teaching stewardship has transformed churches, the importance of transparency in church finances, and how giving can free individuals from fear and selfishness. This episode also address...

In this special live episode of Between Sundays, recorded at the We Gather event in Dallas, Texas, our hosts—Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper—sit down with a room full of ministers and spouses for a powerful, honest conversation about life in ministry. With wisdom drawn from decades of experience, they share insights on staying spiritually refreshed, avoiding the trap...

In this powerful episode of Between Sundays, our hosts discuss the value and impact of long-term pastoral ministry. With nearly a century of combined experience in the same pulpits, these leaders open up about the blessings and challenges of staying rooted in one place. From reflections on spiritual passion and shepherding God’s people to avoiding the trap of celebrity culture in ministry, this ep...

Episode 2: The Call to Preach In Episode 2 of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper dive into the sacred call of preaching. They explore the anointing that sets true preaching apart, sharing personal stories—like Livingston’s time with Billy Graham and Cooper’s defining call from God. The conversation tackles the balance of preparation and spontaneity, the...

Episode 1: The Calling, The Challenges, and The Journey In this debut episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston and David Cooper have an authentic conversation about the realities of life in ministry. They discuss the challenges of following a legacy leader, the significance of small beginnings, and the faithfulness required to navigate the ups and downs of past...