Behind Gray Walls

Anthony and Skye look into Repeat and Repeat and Repeat and Repeat Offender Numerously Numbered Barbara Ann Singleton and the Young-Hobo-Thief Herman Schwartz (#3170). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Violence and Suicide.

Anthony and fellow Old Pen Interpretive Specialist Jacey Brain discuss Thanksgiving at the Old Idaho Penitentiary, and the "Turkey Man" George Charles (#2253)who dedicated his life-sentence to raising turkeys. Special treats in this episode include an 1895 song called My Pearl is a Bowery Girl sung by Karen Kohtz, and a dramatized version of Kate Wiggin's - The Bird's Christmas Carol - performed b...

Skye and Anthony have a chat about the ISP's first African American female inmate #917 Susie Duffy and the Bean Stealer #8045 DeLane Dwight “Red” Anderson

In a heavy-hitting episode, Anthony and Skye retell the well-known stories of Dining-Hall Designer #427 George Hamilton and Glass-Eating Madwoman #422 Margaret Hardy. Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence Against Children.

Anthony and Skye look into "Newly Discovered" #9721 Ernestine Paul (Grand Larceny) and "Just a kid who thought he was a big timer" #6066 Daniel Williams (Murder in the 1st Degree). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Gun Violence, murder, and attempted suicide.

On this first episode, unintentionally musically themed, of the new season, Anthony and Skye discuss the musical, and criminal talents of ISP's proto-podcaster Forger (#6836) Harry Silvey, and the Crooning Larcener who only had the money for safe keeping (#8676) Mildred Knox

It's Halloween! Skye and Anthony discuss the spooky stories dealing with ghosts, entities, and possession experienced by visitors to the site. Do you think the Old Pen is haunted?

Thank you all for listening to season 1! We are diligently working on Season 2, but, WE NEED YOUR HELP with our first HALLOWEEN EPISODE. If you have a paranormal experience at the prison that you'd like to share, email us at behindgraywalls@gmail.com. We'll be back in November!

Skye and Anthony interview Jeremy Ward, a Correctional Officer at ISCC (Idaho State Correctional Center), a 2,170-bed men's prison south of Boise. It houses inmates in minimum-security, medium-security and close-custody. Jeremy's great grandfather worked as a guard at the Old Pen, and his grandfather grew up as a child on the prison grounds. He compares his work experience to that of his grandfath...

Skye and Anthony examine and break down the legends of the Old Idaho Penitentiary’s most famous murders, “Idaho’s Lady Bluebeard” #3052 Lyda Southard (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and “Idaho’s Jack the Ripper” #9509 Raymond Allen Snowden (Murder in the 1st Degree). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence.

This week, Skye and Anthony interview former Old Pen staff member Kelly Horsley who discusses a Guitar Pickin' Country Singer turned Armed Robber Rodger Hall #10932, who rediscovers the redemptive power of music while incarcerated at the Idaho State Penitentiary. Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence, and the discussion of serial killer Emmett Spencer.

Anthony and Skye look into Not-So-Sticky Fingered #6693 Robert Miller Earley (Burglary in the 1st Degree) and #1464 Alta McGee, who has had it, OFFICIALLY (Assault with a Deadly Weapon). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Gun Violence.

This week, Skye and Anthony interview local high school teacher and Old Pen tour guide James Klimek, who tells the heartwarming story of the famous feline "inmate," Dennis the Cat.

Anthony and Skye discuss Overall Really, Really Terrible Man #2626 Charles Sandusky (Assault with a Deadly Weapon with Intent to Commit Murder) and Broken-Arch Footed Bootlegger #3281 Hannah Folden (Persistent Prohibition Violator). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Abuse Against Spouse and Children, Gun Violence.

Skye and Anthony interview Hayley Noble, researcher at the Old Pen specializing in wartime history. In this two-part episode, Hayley discusses bad check writer Rufus Roy Liggins #8111, and the prison laundry system.

Skye and Anthony work together to tell the story of one of the prison’s most infamous couples, teenage bride #1096 Jennie Daley (Manslaughter) and Cornish lover #1091 William Henry Hicks “Fred” Bond (Murder in the 1st Degree). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence

Skye and Anthony interview Leah Pileggi, author of Prisoner 88, which tells the story of ten year old Jake Oliver Evans' stint as an inmate at the Idaho Territorial Penitentiary in 1885. The book was inspired by and is based on the story of the Old Pen's youngest inmate, James Oscar Baker #88 (Manslaughter).

Skye and Anthony profile Unintentional Serial Bigamist #6626 Daisy Elizabeth Himm Parsley (Bigamy) and Stone Carver Graffiti Artist #448 William H. Thomas (Manslaughter). Trigger Warning Content Includes: Murder, Violence.

Skye and Anthony sit down with Education Specialist Suzanne Squires to discuss the tragic life of Henry "Bob" Meeks #574 (Robbery), a member of Butch Cassidy's gang who escaped on the prized prison horse Selam.

Anthony and Skye discuss Traumatized #1665 Fred George, I mean, Fred Gruber (Murder in the First Degree), and the OG Female Inmate #169 Henebe (Manslaughter). Trigger Warning Content includes: Murder, Violence.

Skye and Anthony sit down with Historic Sites Administrator Amber Beierle who has worked at the Old Idaho Penitentiary for over a decade to discuss inmate Dan Williams also known as Andrew Scott (Burglary in the 2nd Degree).

Skye and Anthony talk about No Account Check Writer and Fraud #11230 Dorothy Ruth Cox (Issuing a Check Without Funds) and Sweet-Tooth Bandit #2479 Frank Jones (Forgery).

Anthony and Skye take a look at Dangerous, Safe-Crackin’, Alias-Ridden #1141 A.E. Love (Burglary in the 1st Degree) and the Most Frustrating Inmate Skye has ever researched #6036 Mary Holmes (Grand Larceny).

Skye and Anthony profile Women’s Ward influencer #565 Josie Kensler (Murder in the 2nd Degree) and Spiritualist #4156 Sam Stevens (Obtaining Money Under False Pretenses). Trigger Warning Content includes: Murder, Violence, Abortion

Listener discretion is advised. Anthony and Skye discuss Non-Saint #2338 Patrick Charles Murphy (Murder in the 1st Degree), whose autobiography gave the podcast its name, and Small Driver #8151 Grace Elizabeth Scott (Involuntary Manslaughter). This episode is dedicated to the memory of the victims, "Doc" Cain and John Hoak.