Behind Gray Walls

Behind Gray Walls

“Behind Gray Walls” is a podcast featuring stories from the men and women who lived and worked at the Old Idaho State Penitentiary. Each week, Anthony, Samuel, and Skye explore prisoners whose crimes led them to serve time at the "Old Pen." Their history is explored in depth and compared to corrections topics faced in communities today. To support this podcast, visit: https://history.idaho.gov/donate/donation-payment/

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Behind Gray Walls

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True Crime

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Latest episode

Jun 6, 2026

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Episodes

EP 45 - Hall And Phelps 06.04.2021

On this episode, Skye and Anthony examine national alcohol bans with Prohibition violator #4693 Helen Hall (Giving Intoxicating Liquor to a Minor) and a Deputy U.S. Marshal who defied laws he was supposed to enforce not once, but two times #266/#392 Charles M. Phelps (Manslaughter and Assault with a Deadly Weapon).

EP 44 - Golden And Hester 23.03.2021

On this episode, Anthony and Skye dish the details of a police officer gone rogue whose crime is a real-life murder mystery #7070 Ralph Golden (Murder in the First Degree) and a woman who was charged with assault with nearly every weapon possible #9202/#9718 Edna Mae Hester (Assault with a Chemical and Voluntary Manslaughter).

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Hayley Noble on Henry Wasielewski 20.03.2021

In this week's Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye sit down with Hayley Noble to discuss #6153 Henry Wasielewski (Robbery) who enlisted in the Polish forces in Canada during WWII after a brief incarceration in Idaho.

EP 43 - Webb And McBride 16.03.2021

Skye and Anthony have an interesting conversation about a woman who may have had an unfortunate sip of Coca-Cola #7769 Frances Webb (Forgery), and a serial offender who decided to take his fate into his own hands in a tragic way #4357 Vern McBride (Grand Larceny). Trigger Warning: Suicide.

Stool Pigeon Saturday - HannaLore Hein on the 1918 Influenza Pandemic 13.03.2021

In this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony and Skye interview Idaho State Historian HannaLore Hein who discusses Idaho's Response to the 1918 Influenza Pandemic and shares a message of hope and the importance of having historians at the table during trying times.

EP 42 - Barnes And Brooks 09.03.2021

Anthony and Skye discuss a man who had title of “Whip Maker to Her Majesty” (Queen Victoria of England), but who was lucky to get away from his crime with his life #6 Frank Barnes (Murder in the Second Degree) and a young girl with hipster glasses whose train ride through Idaho ended in tragedy #3834 Margaret Brooks (Manslaughter).

EP 41 - LIVE Christopher And Carringer 02.03.2021

In this first LIVE episode in collaboration with Storyfort, Anthony teams up with Historic Sites Administrator Amber Beierle to chat about a woman with skills writing bad checks and heartfelt lines #10595 Nancy Frances Christopher (Forgery and Escape) and master escape artist, brewer and yodeler #8204 Harley Carringer (Burglary in the Nighttime, Escape and Persistent Violator of the Law).

EP 40 - Andrews And Mahaffey 23.02.2021

In this episode, Skye and Anthony chat about a young woman with an unfortunate man and health problem #5788 Helen Grace Andrews (Forgery) and a man who led an uprising that we didn’t get to talk about in the last season #8714 Paul Andrew Mahaffey (Robbery and Escape).

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Judy Buck On Hattie McCormick 20.02.2021

On this Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye and Anthony interview Judy Louise Buck, the granddaughter of #1537 Hattie McCormick, who sheds some light on Hattie's life outside of prison.

EP 39 - Martin And McCormick 16.02.2021

On the first episode of Season 5, Anthony and Skye are sure glad to be back, and talk about a man whose escape nearly resulted in someone else’s death #11628 Peter Martin (Robbery and Escape), and a woman whose desire got her in a bit of trouble—and whose family helped us fill out her story #1537 Hattie McCormick (Adultery).

Season 5 Teaser 22.12.2020

We're working hard to bring a brand new season of prisoner stories to you in 2021! If you have a story, share it with us at behindgraywalls@gmail.com. Looking for a great holiday gift? Come visit the Old Pen Gift Shop Souvenir Confinement or visit our online store: https://store.history.idaho.gov/giftshop.aspx Why not give the gift of membership at the Idaho State Historical Society: https://store...

Stool Pigeon Saturday - 1980 Riot Calvin May 14.11.2020

In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with retired Correctional Officer Calvin May who started working for the Idaho Department of Corrections months before he was held hostage during a riot at the new prison in July 1980. Calvin discusses the causes of the uprising and how his faith helped guide him.

EP 38 - 1973 Riot "Down In Flames" 10.11.2020

In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye discuss the chaotic 1970s and the final uprising at the Idaho State Penitentiary that resulted in damage still seen at the site to this day. Oral histories from Guards Charlie Griggs, Dan Mahoney, Milton Edgerton, Ralph Elston and Inmate Melvin Aldous help tell the story. Like what you hear? Consider supporting us by donating today or becomin...

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Curt Williams 31.10.2020

In this episode of Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony sits down with retired Correctional Officer and Idaho State Patrolman Curt Williams who worked at the Idaho State Penitentiary during the 1971 riot. Curt talks about being in the yard at the height of the riot, and guarding prisoners at the new institution.

EP 37 - 1971 Riot "Boiling Point" 27.10.2020

In this episode of Disturbing Justice, things heat up as Anthony and Skye discuss how the weather helped spark one of the most violent prison riots at the Old Pen. Hear oral histories from prisoner Ron Macik who served a pivotal role in the uprising, and guard Bill Sanders who describes how the events unfolded and his desensitized reaction to a surprise rolled up in a gym mat.

EP 36 - 1966 Riot "Sixty-Six Sit-In" 13.10.2020

In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye discuss the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s and the attempts made by Idaho prisoners to invoke change through a week-long strike after losing commissary privileges.

EP 35 - 1958 Riot "Bull Pen" 29.09.2020

In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye launch into a discussion about the Space Race, and break down a hostage situation led by a prisoner with the unfortunate nickname of "Legal Cutie."

EP 34 - 1952 Riot "Horseshoes & Heavies" 15.09.2020

In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through the fascinating and turbulent history of 1950s Cold War America, and an uprising quickly quelled by Warden Clapp with the help of a few hundred dollars in tear gas grenades.

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Mary Crumroy 05.09.2020

On today's Stool Pigeon Saturday, Skye discusses a black widow who threw a few mini-riots of her own in the Women's Ward, #3691 Mary Crumroy (Murder in the 2nd Degree).

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden John Snook Pt. 2 29.08.2020

Anthony finishes telling the story of Warden John Snook, the most honest rancher, territorial marshal, legislator, and warden you’ve ever heard of—as he cleans up the Federal Penitentiary in Atlanta!

EP 33 - 1935 Riot "The Legend Of Chocolate Slim" 25.08.2020

In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through a riot that resulted in an unfortunate nickname for Yard Captain Gilbert Talley. ATTENTION! The exhibition - Disturbing Justice - will not open until late September. Please stay tuned as we announce the official opening later this season.

Stool Pigeon Saturday - Warden John Snook Pt. 1 22.08.2020

On our first Stool Pigeon Saturday, Anthony discusses Warden John Snook, the most honest rancher, territorial marshal, legislator, and warden you’ve ever heard of—and this is only the first part of his life! Tune in next Saturday for part 2.

EP 32 - 1910 Uprising "Snook Sense" 11.08.2020

In this episode of Disturbing Justice, Anthony and Skye walk through the first recorded attempt by ISP inmates to stage a riot against Warden John Snook, a man with a certain sense for such situations.

EP 31 - An Introduction To Disturbing Justice 06.08.2020

Season 4 is here! In this episode, Skye and Anthony interviewed the Old Pen Team who made both the new season of the podcast and a brand new exhibition - Disturbing Justice: An Illustrated Narrative of I.S.P. Uprisings - happen, including local artist Allen Gladfelter (https://www.allengladfelter.com/) who illustrated the riots for the new exhibition. Stay tuned to all the happenings at the Old Pe...

Season 4 Teaser 01.08.2020

We're just about back with a brand new season! Can you guess the theme? Let us know in our Behind Gray Walls Podcast Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/behindgraywalls).

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