Consumer Behavior Lab
Behavioral Science For Brands: Leveraging behavioral science in brand marketing.
The Consumer Behavior Lab is dedicated to teaching marketersacross the United States how behavioral science principles can beapplied to help their brands. By decoding the underlying motivationsof how consumers make decisions, the CBL seeks to make a betterindustry - where both brands and agencies put proven sciencebehind their decision making.
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Jul 8, 2026
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Interview: Phil Graves, author of Consumerology, on the hidden flaws of market research 09.07.2025 50:58
In this episode, we chat with Phil Graves, author of Consumerology. As a leading voice on the flaws of traditional market research, he explains why what customers say often differs from what they do. He also highlights the mechanisms behind purchase decisions and explores how behavioral science offers a more reliable lens for understanding real consumer behavior.
Interview: Rory Sutherland, author of Alchemy, on why irrational ideas work 25.06.2025 2:26:39
In this episode we sit down with Rory Sutherland, author of Alchemy. As one of advertising’s most original thinkers, he makes the case for embracing irrationality in marketing, argues why logic is overrated and explains how small shifts can lead to big behavioral effects.
Behavioral science for agencies: media planning 18.06.2025 33:31
In this episode we explore how behavioral science can be applied to media planning. We discuss the fundamental attribution error and why this suggests brands should spend less time thinking about target audiences and more time thinking about target contexts. We then look at some specific moments that brands can target – such as when people are in a good mood or when their age ends in nine.
How Five Guys uses the illusion of effort to make their burgers taste even better 04.06.2025 31:52
In this episode, we look at the story of Five Guys and how they used behavioral science to become one of the most successful brands in the ‘better burger’ category. We identify some of the secrets to their success such as ending the experience on a high, harnessing the illusion of effort by letting dinners see into the kitchen and - perhaps most importantly of all – harnessing the power of simplic...
Interview: Steve Martin, author of Messengers, on the eight key traits of an effective messenger 29.05.2025 53:33
In this episode we speak with Steve Martin, co-author of Yes! 60 secrets from the science of persuasion which has sold over 1.5 m million copies. We talk to Steve about his latest work on the messenger effect and the eight traits that make a messenger influential.
How Oatly used the messenger effect to become the world's most successful milk alternative 22.05.2025 38:22
In this episode, we explore how Oatly became a billion-dollar brand by using behavioral science in clever, unexpected ways. We unpack how the launch of their Barista Edition—crafted specifically for coffee shops—tapped into the Messenger Effect, where who delivers a message matters as much as what is said. Along the way, we break down what makes a messenger truly persuasive—and how your brand can...
Interview: Adam Ferrier author of The Advertising Effect on why you should stop listening to your customer 15.05.2025 51:27
In this episode we speak with Adam Ferrier, founder of Australian ad agency, Thinkerbell. Adam is the author of The Advertising Effect, one of the best books on applying behavioral science to advertising. On the podcast he talks about some of the most effective Australian campaigns of the last few years and why listening to your customer creates bland advertising.
How Everlane have harnessed the principle of fairness to grow their brand 08.05.2025 25:40
Everlane’s success has partly been driven by differentiating themselves from the rest of the fashion industry. Crucially they have reframed the competition as behaving unfairly. In this episode we look at a series of behavioral science experiments that show brands can disrupt consumer apathy if they position the competition as having behaved unfairly. We cover a range of studies by Werner Guth, S...
Interview with Ayelet Fishbach: Professor of Behavioral Science at the University of Chicago 01.05.2025 49:42
Katy Milkman has described Ayelet Fishbach as the foremost expert on motivation in the world. In this episode we speak to Ayelet about her work and how marketers can harness it to change the behavior of their users. In a wide ranging conversation we discuss Ayelet’s research on variable rewards, the goal dilution effect and the problem with setting avoidance goals.
How GEICO use the principle of concreteness to make memorable ads 24.04.2025 29:04
GEICO have created some of the most effective US advertising in recent years. The GEICO gecko is one of the most popular characters in advertising. But what makes him so memorable? In this episode we discuss Ian Begg’s research into concreteness which showed that people are much better at remembering visualisable things compared to abstract concepts. We argue that GEICO’s success has been driven...
Interview with Gareth Harvey: former professor of consumer psychology turned behavioral science consultant 17.04.2025 48:17
In this episode we talk with Gareth Harvey. Gareth was previously a professor of consumer psychology but now advises companies about how they can apply findings from behavioral science. In this episode he discusses some of his work with retailers showing how they can better frame special offers, use music more effectively and adjust the shopper journey.
How Hendrick's distinctive use of nostalgia explains their marketing success 10.04.2025 28:24
In this episode we look at one of the world’s most successful gins: Hendrick’s. We explore three behavioral science principles that explain their growth: distinctiveness, consistency and nostalgia. In particular, we look at the experimental evidence from psychologists such as Von Restorff, Zajonc and Sedikides.
Interview: Melina Palmer, author of What your Customer Wants and Can't Tell You 03.04.2025 37:38
In this interview, we catch up with Melina Palmer who has released a new book: The Truth About Pricing. She discusses how brands like Hermes and Costco have applied principles from behavioral science. We cover ideas like scarcity, reciprocity and the importance of in groups.
How Zoom proved that behavioral science is just as effective in B2B settings as it is in B2C 27.03.2025 34:16
In this episode, we discuss how behavioural biases can be applied by brands in a B2B setting. In particular, we look at how Zoom credibly used social proof in their earliest days and the evidence that suggests this works well in a professional setting. We also cover the principle of make it easy and the evidence of this occurring in B2B. Finally, we discuss why, if behavioural science is so effect...
Interview: Charles Spence, author of Gastrophysics, on the science of taste appeal 20.03.2025 56:51
In this week's episode, we chat with Charles Spence—Oxford professor, author of Gastrophysics, and the world’s leading expert on how our senses work together to shape flavor. We discuss how brands are leveraging sensory cues to make their products more appealing, and discover practical insights for anyone who wants to understand the power of taste beyond the plate.
Interview: Nir Eyal, author of Hooked, on how to form lasting habits 13.03.2025 49:31
In this episode we talk with Nir Eyal, author of Hooked, and one of the world's leading experts on the topic of habits. His work is of particular interest as his focus is on how brands (rather than individuals) can create habits. Nir walks us through the four elements of his model and gives lots of practical advice on what marketers can do differently.
How using humor helped Aviation gin laugh all the way to the bank 06.03.2025 24:30
In this episode we explore the behavioral science principles behind Aviation Gin’s success. In particular we look at why humor is such an effective (but underused) tool for brands. We cover work by Nisbett on the halo effect that shows if a brand improves its standing in one particular metric (like being funny) it will improve even unrelated characteristics, such as being perceived as trustworthy...
Interview: Roger Dooley, author of Brainfluence, on the practical marketing lessons from behavioural science 27.02.2025 35:43
In this episode we talk with Roger Dooley author of Brainfluence. In a wide-ranging conversation, we start by covering the importance of focusing on making whatever behaviour you want to encourage as easy as possible. Then we move on to the importance of experimentation and how brands can work out which, of the many behavioural biases that have been discovered, they should prioritize.
How Eleven Madison Park applied the peak-end rule to become the best restaurant in the world 20.02.2025 30:40
In this episode we look at the rise of Eleven Madison Park to become the most critically acclaimed restaurant in the world. In particular we focus on their legendary customer service and how they used techniques like the peak-end rule to enhance diner’s memory of the visit. The lessons are relevant for all brands - not just those involved with fine dining.
Interview: Sarah Carter, co-author of How Not to Plan, on using behavioural science to improve health and sustainability 13.02.2025 1:00:04
In this episode we sit down with Sarah Carter and discuss how marketers can best use behavioural science. We focus on using behavioural science for good, whether that’s encouraging people to eat veg, take the train or practice safe sex. During a wide-ranging conversation with one of ad land’s brightest luminaries we cover biases from the ostrich effect to social proof, reframing to the illusion of...
How Kraft kept their healthier product secret to avoid the problem of expectation assimilation 06.02.2025 29:28
In this episode, we look at the behavioral science secrets behind the success of Kraft Mac and Cheese. We focus on two broad areas. First, how they managed to launch a new version of the product (with all the artificial colourings removed) without damaging sales. That’s an impressive achievement, as often if you stress that a product has become healthier it damages taste expectations. Second, how...
Interview: Todd Rogers, Harvard psychologist and author of Writing for Busy Readers, on the psychology of great copywriting 30.01.2025 36:16
In this episode Richard interviewed Harvard professor Todd Rogers. Todd’s experiments apply behavioral science principles to copywriting to make it more effective. In this discussion we cover Todd’s key findings, such as the proven value of brevity, simple language, and designing for easy navigation. The episode is full of simple tactics that you’ll be able to apply immediately to your writing.
How Pret a Manger harnessed variable rewards to recover from the pandemic 23.01.2025 23:03
In this episode, we look at the success of Pret a Manger – especially how they managed to recover so strongly after the pandemic, despite increasing numbers of office workers staying at home. We look at two main biases that they have successfully harnessed: the sunk cost effect and the power of variable rewards
Interview: Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, author of Everybody Lies, on how to uncover hidden consumer motivations 16.01.2025 49:01
We talk with Seth about how to best understand people's motivations and why direct questioning sometimes fails. We cover ideas like the illusion of effort, the curse of knowledge and how to respond when different datasets give conflicting answers.
The replication crisis: How to avoid basing your marketing on bogus findings 09.01.2025 24:38
In this episode, we discuss the replication crisis. By that we mean, when academics have re-run some behavioural science studies, they have found different results to the original experiment thereby invalidating it. We cover some of the most famous studies that need to be avoided and how you can have confidence in the findings that you’re applying.
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