Steve Fretzin
BE THAT LAWYER
BE THAT LAWYER is for attorneys who want more freedom, enjoyment and most importantly, control in their career. Topics will include business development, marketing, branding, technology, and law firm growth. The goal is to educate, entertain and share best practices related to these topics, so that you, the listener can get real value. This is primarily an interview show with great guests (attorneys and legal marketing professionals), sharing stories and analogies, as well as engaging in personal discussions that will keep you entertained and coming back week after week.
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Steve Fretzin
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Latest episode
Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
Mathew Kerbis: How AI Is Forcing Lawyers to Rethink Pricing 15.01.2026 34:59
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Mathew Kerbis discuss: AI’s impact on billable work Recognizing the limits of hourly and flat fees Using subscriptions to create stability and scale Positioning lawyers for long-term resilience Key Takeaways: AI is set to automate most billable legal tasks, collapsing the hours firms rely on for revenue. Continuing to bill time while effort shrinks creates ethi...
Promoting Future Rainmakers 12.01.2026 24:57
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Mandy McCormack discuss: Recognizing business development as a critical legal skill Aligning coaching with motivation and execution Building authentic personal branding Creating lasting impact through structured support Key Takeaways: Marketing, planning, and relationship-building are essential for long-term career success, not optional extras. Structured coach...
Chris Earley: How Lawyers Win Attention in a Crowded Industry 08.01.2026 29:29
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Chris Earley discuss: Treating consistency as the real competitive edge Building trust through authenticity over achievement Matching platforms to where your audience already lives Playing the long game of value before promotion Key Takeaways: Showing up every day with content is not a tactic but the game itself. One post a day over time compounds into trust, v...
Matthew Fornaro: Building a Solo Law Firm in the Age of AI 05.01.2026 31:20
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Matthew Fornaro discuss: Making solo practice more accessible than ever Using AI as a force multiplier for small firms Practicing ethical and intentional AI adoption Rethinking legal business models and skill sets Key Takeaways: Starting a firm no longer requires a large office, full staff, or major upfront investment. A focused LinkedIn presence paired with a...
Wes Lungwitz: The New Rules of Law Firm Marketing 01.01.2026 29:50
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Wes Lungwitz discuss: Adapting to change in legal marketing Strengthening the website as the foundation Optimizing for AI-driven discovery Evaluating partners and acting proactively Key Takeaways: Law firm growth now depends on adapting to AI, new search behavior, and shifting marketing dynamics. Firms that remain static risk losing visibility as discovery move...
Alefiyah Lindo: Why Burnout Is a Signal and How to Realign for Better Results 29.12.2025 31:23
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Alefiyah Lindo discuss: Planning the future by evaluating what actually worked Supporting happiness without trying to control it Using energy as a diagnostic tool for alignment Treating burnout as feedback and adjusting accordingly Key Takeaways: Reviewing the past year reveals which habits, strategies, and commitments deserve to continue and which do not. Ente...
Deborah Farone: Developing Clients, Confidence, and Career Control 25.12.2025 32:05
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Deborah Farone discuss: Using business development as a path to influence and autonomy Starting relationship-building early in your career Aligning marketing with authenticity and personality Deepening trust by focusing on long-term relationships Key Takeaways: Business development gives women greater control over their careers, choices, and leadership opportun...
Charlie Gaudet: Escape the Founder Trap and Scale Your Firm 22.12.2025 35:27
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Charlie Gaudet discuss: Moving beyond hard work toward sustainable growth Escaping the founder-centered business model Outperforming talent using systems Protecting time as the highest-leverage asset Key Takeaways: Hard work eventually becomes a liability when it replaces strategy, systems, and recovery. Sustainable growth requires designing the business so it...
Colleen Joyce: Leading, Selling, And Scaling In A Changing Legal Market 18.12.2025 30:34
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Colleen Joyce discuss: Failing fast while managing risk Building a competitive legal practice intentionally Treating sales as listening and diagnosis Leading and adapting for the future of law Key Takeaways: Test ideas quickly and learn from small, recoverable failures. Avoid high-stakes decisions that can jeopardize the entire business. Fast iteration builds r...
Amy Wood: Lawyer Like An Athlete 15.12.2025 33:08
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Amy Wood discuss: Cultivating inner balance Training your career like an athlete Building the four pillars of success Managing energy and embracing growth Key Takeaways: Focus on inner balance rather than chasing work–life balance. Intentionally manage your energy, mindset, and relationships to sustain long-term professional performance. Treat your career like...
Susan Filan: Finding Joy and Peace in a High-Pressure Career 11.12.2025 28:49
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Susan Filan discuss: Reclaiming life before life demands it Asking the questions that change everything Stepping off the professional hamster wheel Choosing authenticity over performance Key Takeaways: Near-death experiences show how fragile, temporary, and precious life truly is. Fulfillment starts when we stop postponing purpose and intentionally live each da...
Dustin Ruge: Transforming the Legal Landscape Through Strategy, Value, and AI 08.12.2025 30:58
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Dustin Ruge discuss: Strategic decision-making in choosing clients Communicating value through intentional sales processes Adapting to AI-driven shifts in legal labor Rebuilding legal services through integrated ecosystems Key Takeaways: Choosing which cases to decline becomes a powerful profitability strategy. Disciplined selection protects focus, energy, and...
Pam Meissner: Creating Law Firms That Thrive Long Term 04.12.2025 29:19
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Pam Meissner discuss: Aligning strengths with strategy Addressing operational challenges Clarifying compensation and career paths Maximizing long-term firm value Key Takeaways: Successful firm growth depends on matching personal strengths to business goals. Chasing clients or revenue alone does not ensure satisfaction or long-term success. Intentional planning...
Adam Williams: Maximizing Tax Strategy For Law Firms 01.12.2025 30:42
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Adam Williams discuss: Planning taxes proactively Exploring creative tax strategies Building a professional team Implementing actionable year-end steps Key Takeaways: Most law firms wait until filing to address taxes, missing savings opportunities. Working with a tax strategist year-round aligns decisions with long-term goals. Proactive planning uncovers ways t...
Ben Dach: Growing Through Guidance and Experience 27.11.2025 29:13
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ben Dach discuss: Prioritizing layered mentorship Strengthening firm culture for development Maintaining clear communication in mentoring Using delegation and varied experience for growth Key Takeaways: Professionals should pursue multiple mentors with complementary strengths to build balanced legal and leadership skills. Proactive outreach broadens perspective...
Allison Williams: Strengthening Your Practice Through Structure 24.11.2025 33:40
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Allison Williams discuss: Developing business skills beyond legal training Balancing legal work with true leadership roles Strengthening sales and client relationships with structure Reducing stress through systems, communication, and metrics Key Takeaways: Law school doesn’t teach the core business, sales, and time-management abilities required to run a succes...
Danielle Hendon: Building Sustainable Profit For Modern Law Firms 20.11.2025 31:47
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Danielle Hendon discuss: Embracing perseverance Shifting mindsets for sustainability Transitioning toward flat fee models Balancing finances for growth Key Takeaways: Perseverance shapes long-term success by turning setbacks into momentum rather than defeat. Continuing the work is what separates progress from failure. Stopping, not struggling, is the only real...
Be That Lawyer Live: Building a Practice That Lasts (Part 2) 17.11.2025 31:40
In this episode, Steve Fretzin, Tim Semelroth, Casey Grabenstein, and Neil Dishman discuss: Treating business development as essential Using systems and empowering teams Building a culture of growth Learning through resilience and honesty Key Takeaways: Integrating business development into daily routines and tracking it like billable work ensures steady growth. Making it non-negotiable builds c...
Be That Lawyer Live: Building a Practice That Lasts (Part 1) 13.11.2025 31:16
In this episode, Steve Fretzin, Tim Semelroth, Casey Grabenstein, and Neil Dishman discuss: Building consistent habits Tracking meaningful metrics Repurposing and leveraging content Cultivating strategic relationships Key Takeaways: Dedicating time, using accountability systems, and leveraging support drives sustained business growth. Consistency and structure keep focus sharp and opportunities...
Lee Rudin: Turning Purpose Into Profit In Modern Law 10.11.2025 32:59
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Lee Rudin discuss: Aligning business with purpose Preparing financially before independence Marketing actively and creatively Leveraging systems, technology, and people Key Takeaways: Building a law practice around shared success creates deeper fulfillment and stronger client relationships. Choosing work that serves others transforms daily effort into long-term...
Walt Hampton: Building A Career That Feeds Your Soul 06.11.2025 33:24
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Walt Hampton discuss: Following what lights you up Mastering time instead of managing it Saying no to create freedom Preventing burnout through alignment Key Takeaways: Fulfillment doesn’t come from doing what seems logical but from pursuing what makes you come alive. Many lawyers achieve success yet feel empty inside. True success begins when you align your ca...
Brian Haugh: Mastering the Lateral Move 03.11.2025 31:09
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Brian Haugh discuss: Navigating a selective legal market Preparing for a lateral move effectively Building control through specialization Approaching interviews with intention Key Takeaways: The current recruitment landscape favors lawyers with portable books and proven client relationships. Service partners without clear revenue streams face fewer interview op...
Dr. Rachel Boehm: Sustaining Excellence Through Resilience 30.10.2025 32:24
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Dr. Rachel Boehm discuss: Building systems that support adaptability Redefining peak performance for longevity Clearing mental clutter for growth Pursuing fulfillment through reflection and learning Key Takeaways: Sustainable success in law combines strong organizational structures with personal flexibility. This balance allows attorneys to navigate change, man...
Charles Gallaer: Simplifying the Practice to Amplify the Impact 27.10.2025 33:30
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Charles Gallaer discuss: Simplifying communication for clarity Building systems for an organization Investing in professional growth Learning resilience through experience Key Takeaways: Lawyers who communicate simply build stronger connections with clients and colleagues. Clear language removes confusion and makes legal concepts easier to understand. Simplicit...
Stacey Brown Randall: You Deserve Referrals, But You Do Not Owe Them 23.10.2025 31:49
In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Stacey Brown Randall discuss: The realities and misconceptions of referral marketing for professionals Building genuine, relationship-driven client experiences that foster loyalty Balancing efficiency, personalization, and automation in client communication Mindset management and learning from business failures in professional growth Key Takeaways: Doing great...
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