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B The Way Forward
B The Way Forward is an action-driven conversation about systemic change—how it happens, who drives it, and what it really takes to make an impact. Hosted by AnitaB.org CEO, and battle-tested leader in tech and equity, Brenda Darden-Wilkerson, the show gives listeners the tools they need to step off the sidelines and shape the future themselves. B The Way Forward Season 2 kicked off with a central question: do you change the system from within, or do you have to break it to build something better? Now, in our second half of the season we'll celebrate something women often feel they can’t admit...
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Episodes
“We Have to Help Them” - Anu Bhardwaj on How Her Daughter Sparked a Global Movement 17.09.2025 45:18
In 2018, serial entrepreneur Anu Bhardwaj launched a project inspired by a simple, brilliant insight from her 7-year-old daughter, Arya: if you want adults to understand cryptocurrency, teach their kids first. And so, Krypto 4 Kids (K4K) was born. What began as a two-day event quickly evolved into a financial literacy app - focused on crypto - designed in collaboration with the K4K cohort and pre...
It’s Not the End - How Nina Sossamon-Pogue Turned Life’s Worst Chapters Into a Playbook for Success 03.09.2025 38:16
Nina Sossamon-Pogue was a member of the US National Gymnastics Team, an Emmy-winning news anchor, and a tech executive who helped guide a startup to a successful IPO.But Nina’s incredible career wasn’t a straight line - it was a series of reinventions born from a series of devastating setbacks. An injury that ended her athletic career. A layoff at the height of her popularity as a newscaster. A t...
The 24 Year Overnight Success - Lisa Gelobter on Delayed Degrees and Disrupting Systems 20.08.2025 39:05
Silicon Valley loves the story of a College Dropout Founder - the genius who was just too brilliant for school. The implication of these stories is that of course they could graduate if they wanted to… it just wouldn’t be worth their time. But for every one of those, there are countless others who leave not because they want to, but because they have to. Computer scientist, Technologist, and tEQui...
Fear is Just an Emotion - Betsy Tong on Resilience, Reinvention and Finding Your Voice 06.08.2025 42:38
Disclaimer: This episode includes brief use of strong language. As part of our mission to support real, lived experiences in tech, we’ve chosen to preserve the authenticity of this conversation. 2023 was not a great year for Betsy Tong. Only three years after losing her mother to cancer, Betsy found herself navigating a series of personal challenges - a sick father, the end of a long-term relation...
From Micro Failures to Success - McKinsey & Co’s Lareina Yee on Succeeding After Setback 23.07.2025 43:42
Lately, we’ve been talking to some of the most incredible women in Tech about some of the most non-incredible moments in their careers - stories of setbacks, mistakes that felt unrecoverable, and outcomes that seemed like failures. We’ve been doing this because we want all of you in our community to know you’re not alone - this happens to all of us. We truly believe that you can learn some of the...
Maybe These Systems Shouldn’t Exist - AI Researcher Dr. Timnit Gebru Asks the Questions Others Won’t - Part II 09.07.2025 42:44
Welcome to B The Way Forward Interludes - a series of conversations that don’t necessarily fit in our regular season, but are just too good to not share. Dr. Timnit Gebru is one of the leading voices in AI research calling for more responsible and inclusive AI systems. Or, as she puts it - “a technological future that serves our communities instead of one that is used for surveillance, warfare, a...
“It’s All Marketing” - Dr. Timnit Gebru on the Smoke and Mirrors of AI Hype - Part I 25.06.2025 33:33
Welcome to B The Way Forward Interludes - a series of conversations that don’t necessarily fit in our regular season, but are just too good to not share. Heard something about AI Lately? Have those two letters shown up in just about every app you use - whether you want them to or not? Yeah. Same. These days, it seems like you can’t go an hour without hearing that Artificial Intelligence is going...
Do We Fold or Do We Fight - A CEO’s Lessons from One of Her Earliest Setbacks 11.06.2025 42:34
At 16, Shellye Archambeau already knew she wanted to be a CEO. And early in her career at IBM, after closing a massive deal with RiteAid, it felt like she was well on her way. But then, at the last minute, the deal fell through. Shellye felt utterly defeated - until a conversation with her husband helped her realize that there had been a failure … but that didn’t mean she was a failure. Shellye we...
You Can Walk Away - How Amanda Bickerstaff Found Her Way Back From Burnout 30.05.2025 33:21
Amanda Bickerstaff had a plan and a goal. When she transitioned from being a teacher in NY to working in Ed Tech, she knew she wanted to make it to CEO - and that the only jobs she’d take would be the ones that would get her one step closer to the C-Suite. In the fall of 2019, at only 39 years old, she moved to Australia to make that goal a reality as the newly minted CEO of an Ed Tech Company wh...
Not Everyone Gets a Seat at Your Table - How Dr. Rebecca Andersen Said Goodbye to Imposter Syndrome 15.05.2025 44:33
Today, as leader of the Talent Strategies program at the Berkeley lab, Dr. Rebecca Andersen has a thriving career in professional development. But back when she was in the middle stages of her career, a toxic work environment, and its effects on her, nearly derailed it all. On the one hand, from a job performance standpoint, she was killing it. She was at the top of her game, giving talks, winning...
Forget Failure, It’s All an Experiment - Vlada Bortnik on How Marco Polo Approaches Big Choices 30.04.2025 38:41
Marco Polo CEO, Vlada Borthnik, almost said no to being on our podcast. It wasn’t that she wasn’t a fan of AnitaB.org or didn’t believe in its mission, it was that we’d asked her to talk about failure… and Vlada almost totally rejects the notion of “failure” on principle. Instead, Vlada advocates for throwing away the binary lens of “success” and “failure” and instead to reframe things as experime...
When Your Dream Job Becomes a Nightmare - What April Christina Curley Learned From Being Let Go 17.04.2025 41:23
In 2014, former teacher turned recruiter, April Christina Curley, got offered her dream job - a major tech company asked her to come on board specifically to create a talent pipeline for overlooked tech talent at historically black colleges and universities. Without hesitation, April said yes, packed up her things, and moved from Baltimore to NY. At first, things were great - the program April hel...
Seeing Things Through (Even When You Think You Failed) with Karen Catlin, Author of the Better Allies® Book Series 02.04.2025 34:47
The second half of season 2 is all about the view from the bottom: what does it feel like to fail, and more importantly, how do you come back from it? We’re creating a safe space for women tech leaders to talk about the worst day of their career — a project gone wrong, a lay-off that came out of nowhere, a startup that shutdown — and how they got through it. Because we never learned anything from...
The Secret Origin of AnitaB.org - Telle Whitney on Friendship with Anita Borg and Founding AnitaB.org 20.03.2025 40:01
Welcome to B The Way Forward Interludes - a series of conversations that don’t necessarily fit in our regular season, but are just too good to not share. This week, a very special episode for Women’s History Month. Telle Whitney was already a trailblazing woman in the field of semiconductors when she moved to Silicon Valley in the 1980s. Anita Borg had already made a name for herself in systems...
Be Fearlessly Authentic, Not a Jerk - Jeanne Sparrow on How to Communicate for the Good of All 12.03.2025 40:12
Over the first half of Season 2, we’ve been exploring the best ways to create meaningful change - and whether it happens within our systems or on the outside. But no matter which approach you take, you have to be able to effectively communicate with others - and that can be hard, especially when you need to speak up in spaces that may not seem as open to hearing from you. How do you read the roo...
The Art of the Pitch: How BāKIT Box Founder Shelley Gupta Crafts a Winning Pitch 07.03.2025 38:58
Welcome to B The Way Forward Interludes - a series of conversations that don’t necessarily fit in our regular season, but are just too good to not share. Today, we’re bringing you a conversation with one of our favorite kinds of people; A BFF. No, not a “best friend forever,” a Badass Female Founder. Shelley Gupta took her own culinary and cultural curiosity and channeled it into BāKIT Box , a u...
Coming Up on B The Way Forward: The Best Things I Learned From the Worst Day of My Career 27.02.2025 1:17
It’s never been easy being a woman in tech. But now? When top tech execs say there’s "not enough masculine energy" in “the culture?” It’s a lot. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a show where women who’ve “made it” can share their inspiring success stories? Sure. But this is not that show. Because we don’t need “nice,” we need honesty. And, if we’re being honest, failure can teach us even more than suc...
The Environmental Impact of Your Chatbot Habit - Why it Might Be Time to Say Bye to the AI 12.02.2025 45:24
Here’s a question; how much water do you think a single query of ChatGPT consumes? What about Carbon Emissions? How many round trip flights between New York and San Francisco equal the Co2 emitted by training one Large Language Model? And maybe this is the most important one - how would you even figure those numbers out when the big AI companies don’t make them public? Concerns about AI’s impact o...
Is AI Going to Take My Job? Unpacking How Workers Are Fighting to Protect Their Careers 06.02.2025 45:18
Let’s start with the obvious - There is no putting the AI genie back in the bottle. And frankly, as an organization run by technologists and dedicated to advancing women in tech, we wouldn’t necessarily want to. We believe in the promise of technology. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a lot to be concerned about with how AI has been developing so far. Near the top of that list for almost everyon...
The Revolution Will Be Democratized - How the Working Families Party Uses Data and Tech to Fight for Change 30.01.2025 37:31
We started this season by asking what’s the best way to create real change - inside or outside of the established system? But sometimes it feels like the systems we’re trying to improve are just too entrenched; it can be hard to imagine any approach being successful. And there might not be anyplace where that feels more true than in our politics. But Jennifer Knox , the National Director of Organi...
Being the Way Forward in the Face of Change - Brenda’s Advice for All of Us 23.01.2025 31:01
When Americans went to the polls in November of 2024 it felt like in many ways, alongside the presidential candidates, tech was at the top of the ticket. So what will advocacy in this world look like as Donald Trump begins his second term? And what can be done to ensure that the change we’ve worked so hard to create for women and non-binary folks around the country isn’t reversed? To unpack tho...
The Kids Are Alright… They’re Just Not Voting - With Paul Jones (Young Dems of IL) and Lucille Wenegieme (HeadCount) 16.01.2025 38:20
With a new administration about to take office, we’re kicking off our second season of B The Way Forward by talking about one of the most powerful tools for change we have access to -- our vote. And digging into why - in the most recent presidential election -less than 40% of young voters showed up, compared to a record-breaking 50% in 2020. GenZ and Millennials make up the largest voting bloc in...
Coming Soon: B The Way Forward Season 2: Rebuild? Or Burn it Down? 23.11.2024 1:38
B The Way Forward is coming back with all-new episodes featuring a slate of incredible guests, taking on some of the biggest issues! Including the one that’s central to activism - can we create real change by working within the system? Or do we need to break it to fix it? Featuring arguments for how to tackle making political representation actually representative, debates on whether Diversity,...
Innovating with Purpose: Driving Equity, Leadership, and Human-Centered Technology in a Data-Driven World 21.11.2024 32:42
Welcome to B The Way Forward: Interludes - a mini series of special episodes and conversations that stand apart from our regular season, but are just too good not to share. Dr. Rebecca Anderson, Kendall Holbrook, and Supriya Gupta. All three are leaders within the technology, business and career development spaces. They are all working on truly innovative products, research, and technological solu...
Tech for Good: Innovating Solutions to Social Challenges 14.11.2024 32:21
Welcome to B The Way Forward: Interludes - a mini series of special episodes and conversations that stand apart from our regular season, but are just too good not to share. These days, the headlines can sometimes mostly focus on the challenges in tech - issues like AI ethics and data breaches. But in this special conversation, taped live at Grace Hopper Celebration 2024, Brenda wanted to shift gea...
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