OK Fox & Lucia Love

Art and Labor

Arts EN ↓ 100 episodes

Art & Labor chronicles the stories of social justice organizing within the arts. We hope to center the human cost of the “art world” and advocate for fair labor practices for artists, assistants, fabricators, docents, interns, registrars, janitors, writers, editors, curators, guards, performers, and anyone doing work for art & cultural institutions.

Author

OK Fox & Lucia Love

Category

Arts

Podcast website

artandlaborpodcast.com

Latest episode

Jan 30, 2026

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Episodes

181 – Gossip Girl Fanfic Novella w/ Charlie Markbreiter 13.12.2022

Hey Upper East Siders. The gossip gxrlies are here, and they’re queer stoners now. Our main characters are #1 Charlie Markbreiter, author, PhD candidate, editor at The New Inquiry, and mod of the Death Panel Discord #2 O.K. Fox, Sonic the Hedgehog fetishist and degenerate podcast host. Together they synthesize why white trans guys are … Continue reading "181 – Gossip Girl Fanfic...

180 – Artists in Times of War 03.12.2022

It’s the Christmas reunion special! And how else to possibly celebrate the reason for the season but a long hard look at the Ukranian Russian conflict whose escalation this year has injected so much misery into our lives? That’s right folks, Lucia’s back for one night only, coming out of their well as an update … Continue reading "180 – Artists in Times of War"

179 – Joker Proletarianism w/ Vera Drew 24.11.2022

This week Art and Labor is joined by Vera Drew, director of The People’s Joker, history’s most anticipated queer-coming-of-age indictment of the contemporary comedy landscape through the lens of Batman’s Rogues Gallery. We yak it up with Vera over the stunning consistency Ben Folds has to the queer experience, the tenderness of her relationship with … Continue reading "179 – Joker Prol...

178 – Music & Labor Penny Fractions Panel w/ David Turner, Joey La Neve DeFrancesco, and Phillip Golub 17.11.2022

OK opens this panel by accosting the Nowadays crowd, a necessary struggle session to ground the conversation physically to art venues’ position to PR, finance, and real estate. We then discuss strategies and wins from music worker organizing with members of Union of Musicians and Allied Workers and Music Workers Alliance. We are honored to … Continue reading "178 – Music & L...

177 – One Piece Film Red w/ Sam Branman & August Lipp 09.11.2022

OK enlisted two of his favorite One Piece freaks—fashion designer and DJ/Producer of Str8 to DVD Sam Branman, and cartoonist August Lipp—to talk critically about the most popular series on the planet who many (present company included) have enjoyed for 15+ years. Although the movie is a big commercial for a vtuber, it has a … Continue reading "177 – One Piece Film Red w/ Sa...

176 – How NGOs Fail Us w/ Nick 03.11.2022

Everyone’s favorite psedo-anonymous arts organizer Nick returns with a thoughtful critique and history of what the group INCITE! coined “the Non-Profit Industrial Complex.” We discuss many of the points from the 2007 (😭 ) manifesto including how NGOs monitor and stunt the power of social movements, allow the ruling class to mask their exploitation through “philanthropy,” &...

175 – Cultural Perverts w/ Sessa Englund 29.10.2022

*come to our live show nowadays 11/9* Woop woop! OK is joined by longtime collaborator, fellow Sparks fan, and prolific artist of many materials including blown glass, jeans, wood carvings, and marzipan—Sessa Englund! It’s a Halloween festival of takes about culture, masculinity, and that ol’ chestnut “can an art space serve the public over capital?” … Continue...

174 – Coolest Neighborhood in Hell 21.10.2022

The Band in Hell by Electric Six The band in hellPlays all night longIt’s a sold out showAnd there is only one song There is no rhythmAnd there is no rhymeIt goes on foreverUntil the end of time And now the devil he plays guitarAnd Hitler plays the drumsI’m the man on the microphoneThis is … Continue reading "174 – Coolest Neighborhood in Hell"

173 – Liberate Westchester 27.09.2022

Fall has felled us once again, and it’s time to ask yourself: what if you went ahead and displayed the target goth home accessories year round? Would you be a better or worse person for it? What would Bjork’s new album do? This week we do some processing over whether the entropy death of neighborhoods … Continue reading "173 – Liberate Westchester"

172 – Nightcore over Hyperpop 15.09.2022

A message to the people of Bushwig: BREAK THE CHAIN, ANNEX MASPETH. What is this episode? If I recall correctly we discuss how capitalists attempt to resolve what communist art theorist Adam Buttrick calls “the Bad Vibes Contradiction” through crypto, AI, Canva, and other data vultures in the culture industries. Chelsea Manning DJs Nightcore, not … Continue reading "172 – Nightco...

171 – Adam Driver IS Yaoi 30.08.2022

A special presentation for all the “social-sim” listeners- take a deep breath, and when you’re ready, slowly close your eyes to imagine yourself in a world where your friend is high out of their mind, and yet still able to set up a mixer? What if someone took longer to explain the plot of a … Continue reading "171 – Adam Driver IS Yaoi"

170 – Nathan For Art 2 w/ Alec Robbins & Hannah Guerrero 22.08.2022

The long-awaited part 2 of A&L’s side pod, Fielderwatch, taking on the series finale of The Rehearsal with twitter’s most famous husband, Alec Robbins, and friend of the pod and union-certified painter of tunnels onto walls Hannah Guerrero! For a show that adores how tv gets made, it equally adores the psychological trauma of doing … Continue reading "170 – Nathan For Art 2 w/ Alec...

169 – Dog Soldiers w/ Spike Einbinder & Khamara 08.08.2022

You’ve had your hot girl summer, white boy summer, and if you’re anything like us, you’ve still tossed and turned in your ac-less bedroom, dreaming of something greater. That’s why we’re partnering with the UN Gift Garden to present- Mastaba Snoopy Nonbinary Freak Summer! And kicking it off this week OK and Sarah are joined … Continue reading "169 – Dog Soldiers w/ Spike Einbinder &#03...

168 – Nathan For Art 28.07.2022

OK and Sarah this week cover the first two episodes of Nathan Fielder’s new video art collection The Rehearsal and larger labor politics of cast and crew, the work’s relationship to his former practice on Comedy Central, and the 2010 Tino Sehgal performance of This Progress at the good ‘ol famously liberatory Gug. Do you … Continue reading "168 – Nathan For Art"

ART AND LABOR PRESENTS: ON MOE (preview) 20.07.2022

We’re joined by distinguished panelists Beatrix Urkowitz and O Horvath, Kirby pornographer and Furry toy maker respectively, for a discussion we’re calling “On Moe.” Within anime fandom—what is appropriate and why? In this clip our guests bring great insights from the radical feminist writer Joanna Russ and an accidental Deleuzean analysis of Kirby. The rest … Continu...

167 – Who Archives the Internet Archive w/ O Horvath 14.07.2022

Artist, librarian, and furry historian O Horvath (aka Popple) is BACK! We discuss a YouTube video with over 270k views that believes the Renaissance was either made by computers or a mystical power—ancient alien cranks also racist against Italians. Public education is clearly failing, and even though libraries and archives will not save us, we … Continue reading "167 – Who Archives the...

166 – Euphoria Highschool Student Union (Part 1) 08.07.2022

Get ready to be triggered ’cause watched HBO’s Euphoria to join what feels like a mass movement to re-live highschool as self harm. An exploitative show about exploitation, all shot on film for an extra 20k per episode. Gilded age 2 baby, get on the combination MetroNorth/LIRR and lfg!!! We do a quiz in part … Continue reading "166 – Euphoria Highschool Student Union (Part...

165 – A Generous Grift w/ Sam Lefebvre 30.06.2022

Fan favorite Sam Lefebvre’s newest work, the three-part series “A Generous Grift” for San Francisco-based community art space The Lab, is finally all here! We here at A+L felt the spacetime ripple from the upload and bolted awake in a cold sweat. Taking a magnifying glass to some particularly local, incredibly bold, and somehow publicly … Continue reading "165 – A Generous Grift w/ Sam...

164 – TCAF Dispatch w/ Graham 23.06.2022

We brought in writer and certified Canadian Graham (@GrahamSig) to discuss the bittersweet bummer that is the current state of the Toronto Comic Arts Festival. He shares over 10 years of TCAF memories with us, which is extremely helpful to the analysis we’ve been trying to pull out of our asses about the YA-ification of … Continue reading "164 – TCAF Dispatch w/ Graham"

163 – Groomer Pride w/ Joey De Jesus 17.06.2022

OK catches up with fan favorite fourth mic Joey De Jesus (@DeJesusSaves) to talk Pride month, gossip about NYC local elections/budget woes, and the trap of Puerto Rican statehood. Would you join the Queer liberation army? There’s gonna be sparkly maces involved! Also we’re leaning into groomer, it’s gonna be a whole problem. The establishment … Continue reading "163 –...

162 – Gun Cube Enclosure 03.06.2022

I’m just asking questions- what if it all turned out to be lead the whole time? Generation theory: just lead? 20% chance of causing runaway climate collapse in this century, and people really want to get on our ass because of an insatiable desire (well, technically very satiable) to eat a Blake straight from the … Continue reading "162 – Gun Cube Enclosure"

161 – The Wretched of the Multiverse 22.05.2022

OK gives Sarah a full Toronto report: new Kids in the Hall p good, Canada does not understand iced coffee or hanami, “New York” mode is real and you can harness it to mixed success, and alt comix lanlord art appears as TCAF is being shock doctrine’d?? We eventually get to our review of Everything … Continue reading "161 – The Wretched of the Multiverse"

160 – Living Our Fontosy w/ Popple 27.04.2022

We’re back! And we brought the artist and vtuber sometimes known as POPPLE (aka swordsinverted). Get ready for your shift at the pussy eating factory, ’cause we’re on some sort of deranged queer Stalinism kick. We discuss information and cultural preservation work, living in punk houses, big tech in anime, and the escalation of the … Continue reading "160 – Living Our...

159 – Fire in the Disco 09.04.2022

A return to definitely a type of form, the Galleria caucus of Art and Labor (OK and Sarah) reckon with the eternal struggle of Knowing They Did A Gentrification To Bushwick. You, reader, however, are now yourself trapped in my web, unable to stop passively reading this sentence, which is that Kylie Minogue always has … Continue reading "159 – Fire in the Disco"

158 – World of Statecraft w/ Eric Kostiuk Williams 21.03.2022

Our Canadian/Britney correspondent (and brilliant cartoonist) Eric Kostiuk Williams is back! We wildly speculate on the Grimes Chelsea Manning e-girl royal wedding, and navigate the messy state of traveling in covid times. Western countries have clearly given up on virus mitigation, how are we taking care ourselves as we’re forced under demonic spell of 𝔢𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔬𝔪𝔦𝔠 … Continue reading "158...

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