OK Fox & Lucia Love

Art and Labor

Arts EN ↓ 100 episodes

Art & Labor chronicles the stories of social justice organizing within the arts. We hope to center the human cost of the “art world” and advocate for fair labor practices for artists, assistants, fabricators, docents, interns, registrars, janitors, writers, editors, curators, guards, performers, and anyone doing work for art & cultural institutions.

Author

OK Fox & Lucia Love

Category

Arts

Podcast website

artandlaborpodcast.com

Latest episode

Jan 30, 2026

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Episodes

206 – The Carousel Killer 12.09.2024

Hey fam it’s the 9/11 episode. Be fucked up or sad about it, whatever the tone barometer’s at this year. For me? Personally? It’s death to the west all day. Xi, do you hear me zaddy? Put me in shifu. We watched that republican primary ass debate for some reason. Trumpism is dead, is this … Continue reading "206 – The Carousel Killer"

205 – Vienna Report Back 30.08.2024

Nas is back from Austria! OK is back from Toronto and the WRATH autonomous zone! And these freaks are WORN OUT, but ready to gab up a storm about democrats, demon rats, democracy, the cops, and strategies. It’s really sick and gross to watch public institutions and services collapse. It’s disgusting to watch the pigs … Continue reading "205 – Vienna Report Back"

204 – Millennial Sandwich Shop 05.08.2024

We’re joined by former West Coast farm kid and current UMAW member Kenneth of Slashed Tires fame!!! We should have put one of their songs as the ending but instead we got obsessed with Tommy Tone’s Brian Wilson mix. We have bad brains! We talk about trans celebs having geopolitical takes, stop & shop, and … Continue reading "204 – Millennial Sandwich Shop"

203 – brat tamer 26.07.2024

Welcome to the frontline defense of the Women First movement. Nas, Marshall, and OK have gone third wave terf as brat summer sets into, and you heard this here first, KAMALAUTUMN. Get those 🍉 out, the 🌴 genocide is IN! We do some insane future casting about the America’s next top Ghaddfi, the new Democrat … Continue reading "203 – brat tamer"

202 – I HOPE THEY BOTH DIE 2024 18.07.2024

Taylor Lorenz please retweet this!! DADDY NEED CLOUTY!! Welcome to vroom vroom room with OK and Nas. The two baddest tboys in podcasting are OFF LEASH on field recorder spitting takes on Biden covid, Trump bullet, and the losers who sit and post all day (NOT ME THO, I’M DIFFERENT.) If you crave HOTTER takes … Continue reading "202 – I HOPE THEY BOTH DIE 2024"

201 – Welcome to Ridgewood, Duck! Mother Fucker 13.07.2024

Nas is on the dating apps, Marshall gets drafted into the trash pickers union, and OK gets called a dirty hippie 🥵 All pretty routine, episode 200 should prob be more special than this? So I freaked it. HEY NEW YORK ARE YOU READY FOR BRAT SUMMER *GUNSHOT* MY RENT IS TOO HIGH VENMO @0K-FOX FOR … Continue reading "201 – Welcome to Ridgewood, Duck! Mother Fucker"

199 – Homo Homogenous 14.06.2024

OK is global homo now, and with that cums the vicious self critique. We’re synthesizing new levels of half Jewish half Catholic guilt, and it still isn’t kinky enough for the fascist Eurofags. Berghain zionists hate our freedom. Nas saw the Manhattan mainstream media playground firsthand at the Tribeca Film Fest, where they mistook Pisspiggranddad … Continue reading "199 –...

198 – Bagel Snackcast w/ Linda Felcher 30.05.2024

This was gonna be paywalled, but it’s way too main episode vibe so no reason to assign it a gender. BIG ep for the New York nationalists out there. Trump’s guilty verdict is the latest notch in his New Yorker cultural cache, but in this episode we talk about his relationship to theater, how it … Continue reading "198 – Bagel Snackcast w/ Linda Felcher"

197 – Assassination & Assimilation 18.05.2024

The crew discusses the inevitable Jewish civil war between the surge of nuclear families (zionism) and cringe polycules (New York cultural secularism.) I think we also advocated for a Hot Hot Heat revial, but that might have been the paywalled episode, you can find that here. Wow! Every day is an adventure with Art and … Continue reading "197 – Assassination & Assimilation"

196 – Layers of Unreality 08.05.2024

Precarity and propaganda. Becoming unhuman. The trans internet illuminati emerges in flesh. Nepo baby class traitors. Escape, find alternative ways to live. The media is a vicious tool designed to hurt us, use us to hurt them. Do your own research. Bridgework makes the Ridgework. If you like us, please consider spreading the good word! … Continue reading "196 – Layers of Unreality"

195 – Institutions? More like Instant Two Shits!! w/ Nas 26.04.2024

The new era of Art and Labor cuntinues to shape up with Marshall and OK grooming holocaust, memory, and internet studies scholar Nas to become a new Nakama of the pod-ship. We ask them about so-called progressive Jewish institutions failing to recognize genocide or even twisting “never again” as a disgusting attempt to justify the … Continue reading "195 – Institutions? Mor...

194 – Physical Media 18.04.2024

Iconic bald guys Marshall and OK are back, and this week they rant poetic about physical media. Who is speaking with authority? Is it us? Is it Tavi Gevinson? Is it the New York Times? Is it whoever is telling the New York Times to censor certain words and whoever is telling Tavi to pay … Continue reading "194 – Physical Media"

193 – Suck by Suck West 04.04.2024

Art and Labor 2 is back! We take a second to decompress and to welcome new cohost Marshall, who’s talking to us today about United Musicians and Allied Workers. The group recently had campaigns bringing attention to SXSW underpaying artists and taking money from the Department of Defense. We talk about building alternative spaces and … Continue reading "193 – Suck by Suck West"

192 – Not in Our Name 26.10.2023

(sorry for bad mic this ep) OK and Sarah warm up the engine a little with a conversation leading from, and leading to, the ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza as wespeak. What is to be done? We weigh the options- mostly, do what youcan, some of which is going to involve the heavy and … Continue reading "192 – Not in Our Name"

190 – Netflix’s One Piece w/ Alex Degen and Alec Robbins 28.09.2023

OK and Sarah are joined by two of our absolute favorite cartoonists Alex Degen and Alec Robbins to discuss One Piece both as a comic😤 and as content😩. Alec’s fantastic thread on the “corporate experiment” that is Netflix’s One Piece prompted this excellent convo on art education, WGA/SAG actions, and flattening of culture that happens … Continue reading "190 –...

189 – Art Work and Sex Work w/ Jin 24.09.2023

OK’s Disclaimer Gallery comrade Jin is in town from Hawaii and updates us on the situation in Maui, their community care work, and the Be Easy Stay Safe zine made for and by sex workers. Please follow and support Jin’s work on their Instagram. Content warning: we discuss experiences of transphobic and racist discrimination, as … Continue reading "189 – Art Work and Sex Work...

188 – Fagcon w/ Eric Kostiuk Willams 14.09.2023

OK Fox and Eric Kostiuk Willams  return with a recap of festival season. We have criticisms and praises for Flamecon in NYC, Queer Trans Zine Fest in Providence, and Small Press Expo in Bethesda. We also discuss All Dolled Up, an event Eric did the poster for and OK attended in an act of rebellion against attempts … Continue reading "188 – Fagcon w/ Eric Kostiuk Willams"

187 – Anon Anon Meeting 16.08.2023

Know us by our sacred form; as Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos; yuanshi tianzun, lingbao tianzun, daode tianzun; final fantasy 10, final fantasy 10-2, final fantasy 10-3 (on ao3, lulu is in a reeducation camp, yuna is given more guns)— and yes, at times in the form of OK, Lucia, and Sarah on Art and Labor: Audio … Continue reading "187 – Anon Anon Meeting"

186 – ART AND LABOR 2 02.08.2023

One of us saw Barbenheimer and one of us didn’t. Wouldn’t you know it, that doesn’t stop the take machine from churning here on the new and improved ART AND LABOR 2. That’s right! We have emerged from our chrysalis to influence hearts and minds on a plane of evolution that was higher than before. … Continue reading "186 – ART AND LABOR 2"

185 – Third Eyes ACTIVATE! 10.07.2023

Remember back in the day when we used to wax philosophical about the meaning and role of art? Oh you don’t, because this is the first episode you’ve ever listened to? Well buckle up, cuz Lucia printed a new edition of their screed, and they’re here to inculcate the youth. OK leads the OG duo … Continue reading "185 – Third Eyes ACTIVATE!"

184 – Fighting IRL 15.05.2023

LUCIA IS BACK!!! We talk about navigating the art world during a recession. Is the way forward through Kung Fu?? Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind. FOLLOW OUR TWITCH WE DID STUFF THERE OVER THE BREAK If you like the podcast … Continue reading "184 – Fighting IRL"

183 – Devil Deals 04.05.2023

Hello!! Welcome back to the fold, sweet lambs, I missed you terribly so…what’s your year been like, kids? Today’s Art and Labor is for the fans, and also the haters, who have neglected to call me even once while I was gone…….this week we’re cutting it up (hard) on how Scientific Management (Taylor’s Version) mysteriously … Continue reading "183 – Devil Deals"

S01E02 I Couldn’t Help But Gossip 09.03.2023

Strap on your leather necklaces, OK Fox and Eric Kostiuk Willams are back.  Each week we compare and contrast episodes of Sex and the City and Gossip Girl. Join our journey through New York history, find love, AND labels. The good show has a femcels into video art porono, the bad show is a bunch of HR … Continue reading "S01E02 I Couldn’t Help But Gossip"

I Couldn’t Help But Gossip S01E01 23.02.2023

Hey podcastsiders, welcome to our brand new show! Each week we will compare and contrast episodes of Sex and the City and Gossip Girl. Join our journey through New York history, find love, AND labels. Don’t worry! Art and Labor isn’t going away, just on hiatus until we’re all well rested enough for new episodes … Continue reading "I Couldn’t Help But Gossip S01E01"

182 – I See You 13.01.2023

To hear our take on Andrew Callaghan and This Places Rules please support us on Patreon. 2022 was hard on your Art and Labor crew- so we wanted to start the new year with the most “le fantastique” thing we could think of, a world of endless possibilities, a place where magic could exist, a … Continue reading "182 – I See You"

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