NAWAC
Apes Among Us
The North American Wood Ape Conservancy is a non-profit scientific-research organization dedicated to solving the mystery of the animal commonly referred to as "bigfoot." With a diverse roster of approximately sixty members, including biologists and other professionals, the NAWAC pursues education and research activities pertaining to the centuries-old "wildman" or "hairy man" phenomenon in North America. The NAWAC proposes that the source of the phenomenon is an unlisted large great ape. The organization is actively engaged in activities designed to test that hypothesis.
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Episodes
James and the Giant Feet 27.02.2026 59:52
NAWAC member James Waldo details the discovery and subsequent study of an amazing track way of two wood apes in Area X during Summer operations in 2022.
Bob Strain Interview - Part 2 02.12.2025 1:54:57
We continue our conversation with Bob Strain, accompanying him through his first trip to Area X, his views on nature conservancy and it's impact on the wood ape, his thoughts on teamwork, and much more.
Bob Strain Interview - Part 1 26.11.2025 58:26
Long time wood ape researcher and NAWAC member Bob Strain sits down with us for a look at how he became involved in this phenomenon.
Apes Among Us Episode 17: A Conversation With Alton Higgins Part 2 26.04.2024 54:15
Join hosts Paul and James for Part 2 of an in-depth conversation with Alton Higgins, the Patriarch of the NAWAC. We discuss a wide range of topics from Alton's background, his introduction to the topic of Bigfoot, and his many adventures in the field chasing this elusive animal with the NAWAC.
Apes Among Us Episode 16: A Conversation With Alton Higgins Part 1 19.04.2024 1:01:24
In this long overdue episode, join hosts Paul and James for Part 1 of an in-depth conversation with Alton Higgins, the Patriarch of the NAWAC. We discuss a wide range of topics from Alton's background, his introduction to the topic of Bigfoot, and his many adventures in the field chasing this elusive animal with the NAWAC.
Planet of the Mystery Apes, Chapter 2: Asia’s Almasty 28.02.2022 1:27:33
In a region that was once the running grounds of the Mongol hordes, khans, and warlords, stretching from the Caucasus to Mongolia and the borders of China, there in remote corners supposedly resides an enigmatic, wild, man-like species, generally known as "Almasty." Join hosts Matt Pruitt and Daryl Colyer as they interview archaeologist Paul Bowman, Jr. for a fascinating discussion about the Almas...
Musings: Technology, Science, and the Pursuit 05.08.2021 1:12:17
Hosts Daryl Colyer and Matt Pruitt have a one-on-one conversation that covers a range of topics related to the NAWAC and its efforts, including: the conclusion of the 2021 summer operation in Area X; applying conventional wildlife photography practices to the pursuit of the wood ape; the value of images; visual acuity in apes; testing the hominoid hypothesis; type I and type II errors; and why the...
Exploring Alternative Paths to Discovery 28.12.2020 1:49:37
Hosts Matt Pruitt and Daryl Colyer explore various alternatives to specimen collection in this new episode. A few updates regarding the summer operation and Hadrian's Wall are covered in the introduction, followed by a discussion with NAWAC member and professional archaeologist Paul Bowman Jr. about the likelihood of finding the bones of a wood ape. A roundtable segment follows, focused on the tra...
Hadrian's Wall: An Area X Update 21.07.2020 1:40:22
In this episode, join Matt and Daryl for an update on the North American Wood Ape Conservancy's field work in Area X. Guests include NAWAC Chairman Mike Mayes and Bud Mellicker, who have just returned from deploying an extensive camera-trap array dubbed "Hadrian's Wall" by the NAWAC. Also, Dusty Haithcoat returns, along with his friend Ashlee, to talk about their visual encounter with a big gray s...
Planet of the Mystery Apes, Chapter 1: South Africa’s Otang 01.04.2020 1:08:54
In this episode, host Matt Pruitt speaks with acclaimed South African wildlife researcher and author Gareth Patterson about his groundbreaking work with lions, elephants, and his recently revealed years of research into an as-yet-unstudied hominoid called the otang. This is the first installment of a new series on Apes Among Us called “The Planet of the Mystery Apes”. Gareth’s new book about the o...
Variance: 2019 Field Operation Recap 03.03.2020 3:08:16
Join hosts Brandon, Matt, and Brian for their recap of the NAWAC’s 2019 summer field study, Operation Variance. While at the NAWAC’s Annual Strategic Retreat in February, the guys talked to a number of NAWAC members who had notable wood ape encounters. NAWAC Chairman Mike Mayes joins for an engaging Roundtable discussion. Also, Brian talks with NAWAC Board Member Ed Harrison about the approach the...
2020 Training Camp 18.02.2020 1:54:12
Join hosts Brandon Lentz and Matt Pruitt in this episode of Apes Among Us for an exclusive inside look at how the NAWAC trains its citizen-scientist members. Lentz and Pruitt go onsite at the NAWAC’s 2020 Training Camp for discussions with and perspectives from new recruits and NAWAC veterans as well.
From the Archives: Persistence in Area X 02.01.2020 1:27:54
Go back in time with Brian Brown in this remixed, remastered nostalgic episode from the Bigfoot Show, originally recorded in August 2012, as he interviewed NAWAC (then TBRC) members who had just wrapped up their 2012 summer field study, Operation Persistence, the second such field study as part of the long-term Ouachita Project. AAU co-hosts Matt Pruitt and Brandon Lentz provide some input from a...
November Team — A week in Area X 25.11.2019 2:07:54
On this episode of Apes Among Us, hosts Brandon Lentz and Brian Brown take you on a journey to a valley deep in the Ouachita Mountain Ecoregion designated “Area X” by the NAWAC. The men — as part of “November” team and along with two other team mates — spent a week there this past summer. It was a week that was at once extraordinary but also mundane; that is, extraordinary by anyone’s standards, b...
Citizen Scientists 31.10.2019 2:43:47
In Episode 6 of Apes Among Us, entitled “Citizen Scientists,” hosts Matt Pruitt, Brandon Lentz, and Brian Brown discuss with NAWAC Chairman Michael Mayes and other NAWAC members their experiences, observations, and contributions as citizen scientists—individuals without formal scientific training who collect data to advance the cause of science. Wildlife biologist Angelo Capparella also returns to...
Shades of Gray 18.09.2019 1:31:45
On this episode of Apes Among Us, hosts Brandon Lentz, Matt Pruitt, and Brian Brown talk to North American Wood Ape Conservancy members who, while conducting observational field studies in the Ouachita Mountains, have observed an imposing gray wood ape to which the NAWAC colloquially refers as “Old Gray.” Primatologist Esteban Sarmiento also weighs in, bringing to bear his experience with the know...
Soundscape X 24.08.2019 2:06:58
Screams, pops, whistles, and howls. Just some of the sounds we hear in the course of our research into the North American Wood Ape. When those sounds are recorded, they become evidence. Presented in this episode, a selection of recordings captured by the NAWAC in the valley we call Area X.
Meeting Pruitt 06.07.2019 1:04:48
In Episode 3 of Apes Among Us, host Brandon Lentz chats with new AAU co-host Matt Pruitt about his background and the latest NAWAC observations in Area X.
Tag 7 24.12.2017 1:50:55
In August 2015, something happened in the mountains of the Ouachita range that had never happened before. This event was the culmination of a decade and a half of effort and learning by the members of the North American Wood Ape Conservancy and may have brought about the first real behavioral and biological data about an animal many people thinks doesn't exist.
Encounters 04.10.2016 2:09:20
In our inaugural episode, hosts Brandon Lentz and Brian Brown explore some notable wood ape encounters experienced and investigated by members of the NAWAC. Also discussed, the group's Ouachita Project Monograph. More information and show notes can be found on the NAWAC website .
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