An Arm and a Leg
An Arm and a Leg
An Arm and a Leg is a podcast about why health care costs so freaking much and what we can (maybe) do about it. If you’ve ever been surprised by a medical bill, you’re in good company. But as our team of seasoned journalists has learned from years of reporting — you’re not always helpless. We don’t have all the answers, but we’ll offer you tools and big picture insights with plenty of humor and heart. An Arm and a Leg is co-produced with KFF Health News and distributed in partnership with KUOW.You can support An Arm and a Leg by donating at armandalegshow.com/support/Show Credits: Created, hos...
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Jul 2, 2026
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Self defense 101: Keeping your cool while you fight 18.01.2024 24:57
Dealing with the American health care system as a patient means lots of tough moments – unexpected bills, meds not covered, insurance and hospitals making you go back and forth without a clear answer, endless hold times and phone trees… the list goes on. So listeners ask us all the time: How do I stay strong and fight for my rights without totally losing my s---? We’re bringing back on...
One last tip before 2024 28.12.2023 4:14
Real quick: Now's the best time to support this show! Thanks to a few super-star Arm and a Leg listener/donors, your donation is matched two for one right now. Here's the link to donate . Ok, now: We’ve got a mini-episode for you today, a four-minute coda to the epic story we brought you in December. It features a last tip for anyone who might want to ask a hospital about charity care — which, as...
When hospitals sue patients (part 2) 21.12.2023 36:37
Hey! The BEST time to support this show with a donation just got even better. Right now, any gift you make, up to $1,000, will be matched TWO for ONE, thanks to a few super-generous Arm and a Leg fans who’ve pooled their dough. . It’s a great deal, and it will set us up to kick maximum butt in 2024. Here’s the link, go for it ! And… are you ready for our most-ambitious story yet? We’ve been workin...
When hospitals sue patients (part 1) 07.12.2023 28:08
Hey, it’s the BEST time to support this show with a donation . Thanks to NewsMatch, any gift you make, up to $1,000, will be doubled. It’s a great deal, and it will set us up to kick maximum butt in 2024. Here’s the link, go for it ! We’ve been working on this investigation all year, with our partners at Scripps News and the Baltimore Banner . For years, we’ve been hearing about hospitals su...
To get health insurance, this couple made a movie 16.11.2023 18:42
Last fall, actor-writers Ellen Haun and Dru Johnston were hustling to get their health insurance sorted out for 2023. To qualify for insurance through the actor’s union, SAG-AFTRA, Ellen would have to book a little more work — doable, but not a sure bet. So they came up with a plan: crowdfund a bunch of money to make a short film, starring Ellen … called “Ellen Needs Insurance,” of course. I...
“Your Money or Your Life”: Dr. Luke Messac’s book on the history of medical debt 02.11.2023 25:49
In 2019, Dr. Luke Messac was a medical resident who found himself spending his day off in a courthouse archive. He’d heard about hospitals suing their own patients over unpaid medical bills. He wanted to know if the hospitals he worked in were doing the same. They were. Trained as a historian, Messac then set out to trace the history of this phenomenon, and the story of medical debt in the U...
Paging Dr. Glaucomflecken: Presenting “The Nocturnists - Conversations: Will & Kristin Flanary (The Glaucomfleckens)” 19.10.2023 1:04:13
First: an update on our recent two-parter with the writer John Green, about the global, decades-long fight to make an important tuberculosis drug more widely available. Just two days after we posted part 2, the activists waging that battle scored a major victory. John Green was kvelling on YouTube , of course. We’ll get you up to speed. And for the meat of this episode, we’ve got a gue...
John Green vs. Johnson & Johnson (part 2) 28.09.2023 26:29
This is part two of our globe-spanning story about drugs, patents, and YouTube megastar John Green. Quick recap: In our last episode, we learned how writer and YouTube star John Green kicked up a fight with Johnson & Johnson over a medicine called bedaquiline. And appeared to score a victory. Here, we dig into the backstory: How everything John Green and his fans won was built on activis...
John Green vs. Johnson & Johnson (part 1) 07.09.2023 22:48
This episode is special. When we heard that widely-beloved writer John Green was rallying his online community around a fight over drug prices — and apparently making a difference — we were pumped. And this story took us in so many different directions: Literally around the world, and then straight back home. The drug in question is bedaquiline, made by Johnson & Johnson. It...
Something's coming, something good. 17.08.2023 3:38
Hey there— our next story is gonna take a little more time to cook, but it is going to be SO worth it. It involves John Green , author of The Fault in Our Stars — and yes, we've got an interview with him — and a global fight against multi-drug resistant tuberculosis. ... which turns out to be directly related to fights over the prices of drugs like insulin and humira in this country. Meanwhile, le...
How to Get a Surprise Bill on Your Way to the Hospital 27.07.2023 19:45
For a year and a half now, the No Surprises Act has protected patients from some of the most outrageous out-of-network medical bills. But Congress left something pretty crucial out of the law — bills from ground ambulances. We look at just how wild ambulance bills can be, with a story about three siblings who took identical ambulance rides — from the same car wreck to the same hospital — and...
Wait, what’s a PBM (and how do they work)? 06.07.2023 21:32
If you’ve been told your insurance won’t cover your meds — or that you’re gonna have to pay an arm and a leg for them — you’ve met a PBM: a pharmacy benefits manager. And: Experts say they play a big role in jacking up drug prices overall. But how, exactly? We took a deep dive. This episode first went out in 2019. We’re bringing it back because PBMs are in the news these days: Con...
Credit Card, Please 15.06.2023 21:49
A listener’s doctor wanted her credit card info up front — before her appointment. She wondered: Do I need to give it to them? We did too. After all, who wants the risk of being overcharged — and then having to fight for money back? Experts gave us their best advice, including a couple of tricks to try, and a legal protection you may be able to rely on. Meanwhile, Elisabeth Rosenthal,...
A ‘payday loan’ from a health care behemoth 25.05.2023 22:52
When a New York doctor tweeted recently about “payday loans” for doctors from a branch of UnitedHealth Group — which operates the giant insurance company UnitedHealthcare — we were intrigued. Especially when we saw that the loan product — a “cash flow solution” for health care providers — was real. The doctor’s tweet essentially accused UHG’s insurance arm of causing cash flow problems for provide...
Mental health ‘ghost networks’ — and a ghost-buster 03.05.2023 24:41
For lots of people, trying to access mental health treatment — like a therapist or a psychiatrist —is nothing short of a horror story. You could even call it a ghost story. A “Ghost network” is what researchers and journalists call it when your insurance plan offers a list of “in-network” providers that turns out to be bogus. Attorney Abigail Burman has studied this haunted phenomenon , and...
A $229,000 medical bill goes to court 13.04.2023 26:49
Before her surgery, a hospital told Lisa French she would end up owing them $1,337. After insurance paid them — more than they’d expected — the hospital billed her $229,000. And sued her for it. Her case went all the way to the Colorado Supreme Court. The questions before the court, and how they ruled, have potentially major implications for our legal rights when it comes to fighting u...
A doctor’s love letter to ‘the People’s Hospital’ 23.03.2023 28:59
What if we had a decent, publicly-funded health system — available to everybody, with or without insurance? We’ve got one, says Dr. Ricardo Nuila. It’s where he works. And it could be a model for the whole country. Yes, really. That’s the pitch he makes in his new book, The People’s Hospital: Hope and Peril in American Medicine . It’s a love letter to Houston’s Ben Taub hospital, and a...
Lessons from “wrestling with a giant” 02.03.2023 19:41
The ER visit was quick and uneventful. The bill was $1,300. Our listener decided to push back. He didn't win, but he learned a lot — and so did we. We had help, from an expert we met by visiting a Renaissance Fair — which we did in this very fun early episode . Kaelyn Globig, head of advocacy for the Rescu Foundation , is a medical-bill wizard, and no one has taught us more. In this story, s...
The bill looked like BS. So she took it to small claims court. 09.02.2023 25:37
“I sued a hospital in small claims court and lost — here’s what I learned.” That was the subject line for an email we got from listener Lauren Slemenda. She wrote: “I feel like I won” — and we knew we needed to talk with her. She wants to encourage more people to try taking providers to court over unfair bills. “If everybody that they screw stands up,” she says, “They can't afford to p...
Can They Freaking Do That?!? (2023 Edition) 19.01.2023 21:25
We’re kicking off the year with a throwback. We revisit a 2019 episode that opened up new possibilities for fighting back against outrageous medical bills — a theme we’ll spend a lot more time exploring this year A listener named Miriam got a bill from a medical testing lab she’s never heard of, for $35. Then, a follow-up bill said if she didn’t pay up right away, that price was going up — WAY up:...
2022 in Review 29.12.2022 13:42
The Arm and a Leg editorial team gathered to talk about the moments from 2022 that we’ll never forget — including when work collided with real life. We’re so lucky we get to do this work, and we couldn’t do it without our community. From sending us your stories and questions, to supporting the show financially, our listeners and subscribers are what this show runs on. Thank you. If you...
Like pulling teeth. 19.12.2022 25:46
When a car hit Susan and knocked out a bunch of teeth, her health insurance was supposed to pay for her oral surgery, and she knew it. So why has she had to chase them for 18 months and counting? Getting insurance to pay for anything dental is usually hard, but this had us asking ourselves… is it usually this hard? We connected Susan with law professor Jacqueline Fox — who, when she wa...
The best video about health insurance, ever 01.12.2022 18:58
A couple months ago, we started getting messages from listeners telling us: you gotta watch this video. It’s a thirty minute YouTube video from a creator named Brian David Gilbert, and it’s probably the best video about health insurance we’ve ever seen. Brian David Gilbert is best known for his highly-detailed, hilarious videos for Polygon, a media company about video games. But when h...
Health insurance post-Roe, and a grassroots network of abortion funds 17.11.2022 26:06
Since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, abortion has been banned in more than a dozen states. As you choose your insurance plan for next year, you might be wondering: How does that affect my insurance plan? We learned two big things. First: There’s no one answer (and few answers are settled yet). A lot depends on where you live, and where you work. But second: For lots of...
A listener asks: Could NOT having insurance be a better deal? 03.11.2022 26:44
It’s open enrollment for 2023 health insurance for lots of folks — a time when you might find yourself asking: what good is health insurance anyway? One listener wrote to us about his son, a student with no income. Dad asks, If the son could get charity care (financial assistance) at his local hospital…. should he bother getting health insurance? The big picture question: If you’...
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