AI Proem Podcast

Hi all, I’m really scared to even share this episode because the last time I recorded an episode with Kyle Chan and mentioned cars, I got ripped online. So I just want to emphasize again that for car enthusiasts, I AM NOT A CAR person. I am here to learn. Haha, ok now that I’ve made that disclaimer… Joining me today is the ever-so-knowledgeable Tu Le. He is the founder and managing director of Sin...

Joining me today is Alex Lu, who offers a unique perspective. Alex works at the intersection of three very different AI worlds: China, Europe, and enterprise transformation. Having spent more than a decade in France and now advising European companies on AI adoption (often Chinese models), he offers a perspective that is often missing from the broader AI conversation, which is typically framed as...

In this episode of Differentiated Understanding, I spoke with THE TP Huang , an independent China tech analyst known for his work on fintech, EVs, batteries, AI, semiconductors, and the broader China industrial ecosystem. The conversation traces China’s technology evolution from the early internet era to the present. TP argues that China’s internet ecosystem was shaped by a combination of censorsh...

Joining me today is Tiezhen Wang (Tom), formerly of Hugging Face, where he worked with researchers in China, Australia, South Korea, Japan and across APAC, to help make open-source models more discoverable, usable, and visible to the global developer community. In this conversation, Tiezhen explains why Hugging Face became the GitHub for models and why open source is not just a distribution mechan...

Joining me today is Nathan Lambert , author of Interconnects AI and a post-training lead at the Allen Institute for AI. Nathan recently returned from a major tour of China’s leading AI labs, where he met with researchers and teams building some of the most impressive open models in the world. In this conversation, we discuss what Nathan saw on the ground: how Chinese AI labs differ from their U.S....

I spoke with Reni Cao, the CEO and co-founder of Dex. Dex Camera is a language-learning camera for kids. Reni is a dad, a former product lead at YouTube, and on a mission to build technology that does good for kids and gives digital autonomy back to parents. We dive into his personal story from his high school days that drives his passion for AI, and why he believes the current education system is...

In this episode, I spoke to a leading South Korea VC, TheVentures’ CIO Ethan Cho. He argues that South Korea’s low fertility rate and aging population put pressure on Korea to be one of the world’s fastest adopters of AI technology, similar to its rapid embrace of high-speed internet in the early 2000s. While not a leader in foundational LLMs like the US or China, Korea’s strength lies in applicat...

In this episode, I sit down with John Wang, the co-founder of Assembled, to explore how AI is revolutionizing customer support. Having transitioned from a Stripe engineer to an AI startup founder, John shares his unique insights into the evolution of support tools. We delve into how these tools have shifted from being mere cost centers to becoming strategic assets that enhance customer experiences...

Today, I’m joined by Matt Sheehan who writes this insightful newsletter. Matt is a senior fellow in the Asia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He researches China’s AI ecosystem, Chinese tech policy, and how technology shapes the country’s political economy. Matt lived and worked in China from 2010 to 2016 and later led China tech research at the Paulson Institute’s MacroP...

Amid Anthropic’s success with coding products, many AI labs and companies have also tried to lean into that vertical. OpenAI has stepped back from courting consumers and shut down its video model division, Sora. Alibaba, meanwhile, has more recently begun releasing closed-weight proprietary models and is reportedly pushing the Qwen team to find clearer paths to monetization. The Chinese tech giant...

Every panel on AI and geopolitics seems to default to the same cliché: “the US–China race.” In this episode of Differential Understanding , I wanted to sit with someone who has actually lived inside DC, Silicon Valley, and the US–China tech corridor, and ask whether that framing still makes sense. My guest is Kevin Xu , founder of Interconnected Capital – a global hedge fund focused on the picks a...

In this episode, I sit down with Alan Zhang (Principal & Portfolio Manager at Ox Capital Management) to map China’s tech landscape through an investor’s lens. We break down how Alibaba, Tencent, and ByteDance are approaching AI, and why the “AI OS” is the real endgame. Finally, we analyze what’s changing in China’s consumer internet, EV ecosystem, and embodied AI pipeline. We also unpack China’s d...

In this episode, I sit down with Zixuan Li, who leads the chat API and global partnerships at Z.ai, one of China’s leading LLM labs (one of the four tigers) and now one of the first to head toward an IPO. Z.ai started as THUDM, a Tsinghua data-mining lab best known in open-source circles for GLM and CogVideo, and has since grown into a model-as-a-service platform powering millions of devices and t...

In this episode, I sit down with Kyle Chan (Brookings Institution) to unpack the thinking behind his provocative New York Times op-ed, “In the Future, China Will Be Dominant, the U.S. Will Be Irrelevant.” We start with the DeepSeek moment and why it surprised the West, why it didn’t surprise many China-watchers, and why Kyle sees it as only “the tip of the iceberg.” From there, we zoom out into th...

Most AI policy conversations still orbit around Washington and Brussels, but Asia-Pacific is already writing a very different rulebook. In this episode, I talk with George Chen, Digital Partner at The Asia Group and former Meta policy executive, about how AI is actually being governed, built, and deployed across APAC, China, and the global south. George traces his own path from journalism to big t...

In this episode of Differentiated Understanding , I talk with James Wang , general partner at deep-tech fund Creative Ventures , author of What You Need to Know About AI: A Primer on Being Human in an Artificially Intelligent World , and writer of the newsletter Weighty Thoughts . James has sat on nearly every side of the table — Bridgewater investor, startup founder/CTO in healthcare, engineer at...

In this episode, I speak with Bei Zhang, VP of Growth at Tanka, about the company’s mission to empower AI-native founders. The conversation covers why persistent, organization-wide memory is the missing ingredient for truly proactive agents, how Tanka stitches together chat, email, calendars, and documents into a single “remembering” teammate, and what agentic work could look like over the next 12...

David Fishman is a Principal at The Lantau Group who advises on energy development, infrastructure, and electricity markets across East Asia, with a focus on China. His expertise spans power-sector policy and economics, grid development, project bankability, and transaction support, backed by regulatory and economic intelligence across China’s solar, wind, coal, nuclear, hydro, transmission, and p...

“So our philosophy here is to integrate the globally optimal models and give users the best results.” — Hang Yu, Head of Product at Qoder, Alibaba This is the first episode in a series of founder and builder dispatches, featuring interviews with the people creating the future. If you are a founder, builder, or investor in this space and would like to share your story, please reach out. Today, I am...

“Retail is simple. Retail is just how do you sell something, and make someone’s eye light up. AI or any technology you add to it, is just another way to do that,” — Sharon Gai, retail tech and AI expert, former Alibaba executive. Joining me today is Sharon Gai, an expert in AI and innovation, with a focus on retail. She was an executive at Alibaba, where she advised brands and heads of state in cr...

Joining me today is Chim Lee, Senior Analyst at the Economist Intelligence Unit. He works in EIU’s China and Asia teams, and is based in the company’s Beijing and Hong Kong offices. He leads EIU’s research on China’s advanced technologies, Climate change, Energy, Semiconductors, and Artificial intelligence, and also covers how China’s industrial policies link up with the broader diplomatic and mac...

In this conversation, I spoke with Tom Nunlist from policy consultancy Trivium, about China’s AI Plus plan and its implications for the economy and society. We discussed the role of digital infrastructure in AI adoption, the transformation of production relations, demographic challenges, and the government’s role in connecting academia and industry. The conversation also covers the complexities of...

Joining me today is Natalia Cote-Munoz , a policy strategist, writer, and International Strategy Forum (ISF) Fellow— a program by Schmidt Futures that supports rising leaders at the intersection of geopolitics, technology, and public service. Natalia has served in the U.S. State Department, leading foreign policy think tanks and crisis diplomacy roles. She is a graduate of the Harvard Kennedy Scho...

Kevin is an investor at a family office, where he leads AI investments across asset classes. His career has spanned roles as a venture capitalist, startup founder, and software engineer, with experience in both Silicon Valley and New York, before moving to Asia. He brings deep technical and product expertise across domains from machine learning to enterprise software. In his spare time, Kevin writ...

In this conversation, Jing Yang, Asia Bureau Chief of The Information, a former WSJ reporter, discusses the evolution of China's tech landscape over the past decade. We explore the corporate strategy and positioning differences between established tech giants like Baidu, Alibaba, and Tencent and newer entrants like Pinduoduo and Shein. Jing also talks about her reporting on Shein and Temu and thei...