Dan Shipper
AI & I
Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves. For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.
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Episodes
How a Writer Uses AI Without Losing His Voice 08.07.2026 53:08
Craig Mod used to pay Campaign Monitor roughly $7,000 a year to send his newsletters. After rebuilding the tool himself with AI, his bill is closer to $150. It’s the kind of thing that convinces him we’re about to enter a “golden age of tool building”—one where anyone can build tools specifically suited to their needs, instead of settling for software from incumbents that are slow to innovate. Mod...
The AI Workflows Behind Every's Consulting Team 01.07.2026 41:17
Natalia Quintero joined Every as head of consulting with a mandate to bring AI into the workflows of executives at hedge funds, private equity firms, and tech companies. She is also a recent Codex convert—someone who spent months resisting the tool before Dan Shipper’s daily pestering finally got her to try it. Natalia encountered Codex as a non-technical builder who had learned to navigate file s...
Building a School Where AI Models Learn About Humanity 24.06.2026 43:49
If scaling laws hold—and Surge AI CEO Edwin Chen believes they do—we’re hurtling toward a future where there’s nothing humans can do that AI can’t do better. When OpenAI’s models disproved an open conjecture posed by mathematician Paul Erdős using novel algebraic geometry techniques, Fields medalist Timothy Gowers felt the shift acutely. He initially thought the model had proved an upper bound, an...
GitHub’s COO Explains Why AI Hasn’t Replaced Developers 17.06.2026 28:08
Last year, there were 1 billion commits on GitHub. This year, Kyle Daigle expects that number to exceed 14 billion, a two-component explosion caused by more humans—and their agents—issuing pull requests. In March alone, 17 million pull requests on GitHub were created by agents. Daigle is the COO of GitHub and Microsoft’s chief marketing officer for developer products. He’s been at GitHub for 13 ye...
How Anthropic Uses Claude Fable 5 With Mike Krieger 10.06.2026 52:07
Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as the cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of AI-native product development as head of Anthropic Labs, the team responsible for figuring out what the most capable AI models can do in the hands of real builders. When Krieger first got access to Fable 5 months before its public release, it was exciti...
The SaaS Apocalypse Is a Goldmine With Figma’s Matt Colyer 03.06.2026 33:54
The "SaaSpocalypse"—the panic that AI will make software-as-a-service obsolete—hasn't rattled Figma’s Matt Colyer. As the company’s director of product management for developers, he's been building his own agents for two years and is buying more software services than ever. In addition to making the case that AI is a “goldmine” for SaaS companies, Colyer talked with Dan Shipper for AI & I abou...
We Automated Everything With AI and Tripled Our Headcount 27.05.2026 41:13
Dan Shipper runs one of the most AI-native companies today. Every has agents embedded in nearly every workflow—“if you swing a stick in our Slack, you're as likely to hit a human as an agent,” he says. And yet the company has grown from four people to 30 since GPT-3 came out, and is still hiring. Why does Dan believe there's more human work to do than ever? In a format flip for AI & I, Every's...
Inside Stainless: The Developer Tools Startup Anthropic Just Bought for $300 Million 20.05.2026 51:26
If your MCP server has dozens of tools, it's probably built wrong. You need tools that are specific and clear for each use case—but you also can't have too many. This creates an almost impossible tradeoff that most companies don't know how to solve. That's why we interviewed Alex Rattray, the founder and CEO of Stainless. Stainless builds APIs, SDKs, and MCP servers for companies like OpenAI and A...
Claude Code Can Be Your Second Brain 13.05.2026 1:10:02
From time to time, we will republish episodes that you might have missed. This episode originally aired in September 2025. Noah Brier uses Claude Code as his second brain—it’s the coolest notetaking setup we’ve ever seen. He has Claude running on a server in his basement hooked up to a VPN. It stores, reads, and writes to thousands of notes in his Obsidian vault. He does it all from his phone. We...
The Secrets of Claude's Platform From the Team Who Built It 08.05.2026 43:21
In the future, you’ll be able to accomplish a goal by just giving Claude an outcome and a budget. That’s the direction Anthropic is building in with its new Managed Agents features, announced at this week’s Code with Claude developer event. The basic idea: Claude, wrapped in a computer in the cloud, that you can spin up, scale, and manage as needed. Anthropic is taking on the infrastructure that k...
Why We Switched From Claude Code to Codex 06.05.2026 58:24
In January, Dan Shipper wrote that whoever wins vibe coding wins how you work on your computer—and OpenAI had some serious catching up to do. Three months and the release of GPT-5.5 later, Codex has more than caught up. Austin Tedesco, Every's head of growth, now spends about 80 percent of his working time inside the Codex desktop app, doing everything from drafting go-to-market plans from a stack...
How Stripe Is Building for an Agent-native World 29.04.2026 53:54
Emily Glassberg Sands leads data and AI at Stripe, which processes roughly 2% of global GDP, giving her a bird’s-eye view into how AI is upending the internet economy. Dan Shipper talked with Glassberg Sands for Every's AI & I about what the data on Stripe's network actually shows: AI companies are scaling three times faster than the top SaaS cohort of 2018, fraud has moved from the checkout...
The AI Sandwich: Where Humans Excel in an AI World 22.04.2026 28:31
Most frameworks for working with AI agents assume humans should stay in the loop at every phase. That’s the wrong approach, says Cora general manager Kieran Klaassen . Kieran is the creator of Every's AI-native engineering methodology, compound engineering. His four-step framework—plan, work, review, compound—rebuilds how engineers work with agents. The insight, worked out with collaborator Trevin...
The AI Model Built for What LLMs Can't Do 15.04.2026 53:38
Most AI companies are racing to build bigger LLMs. Eve Bodnia thinks that's the wrong approach. Eve is the founder and CEO of Logical Intelligence, which is developing an alternative to the transformer-based models dominating the industry. Her argument: LLMs’ architecture makes them fundamentally unsuited for some mission-critical tasks. A system that generates output one token at a time, with no...
We Gave Every Employee an AI Agent. Here's What Happened. 08.04.2026 49:43
While walking to the office, our COO Brandon Gell had his AI agent call him and go over his emails in his inbox one by one. When he arrived, he opened Gmail and confirmed she'd done everything he'd asked. "My jaw is on the floor," he messaged me. That was the moment Every got serious about setting up each employee with their own agent. Today, it's a reality—and it has completely changed how we wor...
If SaaS Is Dead, Linear Didn't Get the Memo 01.04.2026 52:49
Founded in 2019, Linear is the rare company started pre-ChatGPT to have successfully reinvented itself as an agent-native business. On this episode of AI & I, Dan Shipper sat down with Karri Saarinen, cofounder and CEO of the product management tool, to discuss building a platform where humans and agents develop software together—and why the "SaaSpocalypse" isn’t coming for all SaaS companies....
How to Build an Agent-native Product | Mike Krieger 25.03.2026 48:30
Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of determining what makes a breakout AI-native product as co-lead of Anthropic Labs. Dan Shipper talked with Krieger for Every’s AI & I about how his experience creating Instagram shapes how he thinks about building with AI, including what can be sped up a...
How Every Builds a Writing Team in the Age of AI 18.03.2026 56:34
Kate Lee has spent her career working with words—first as a literary agent, then in roles at Medium, WeWork, and Stripe. As Every’s editor in chief, she’s been the quiet force behind the newsletter for more than three years. Lately, something has shifted in Kate’s work. After years of watching her colleague Dan Shipper evangelize AI from the front lines, Katie has started rewiring how she works a...
We Made a Document Editor Where Humans and AI Work Side by Side 11.03.2026 44:38
Every has unveiled a new product, built by CEO Dan Shipper . It's called Proof , a free, open-source, live collaborative document editor built for humans and AI agents to work in together. Proof started as a Mac app designed to show the provenance of AI-written text—purple for AI, green for human. But when Shipper rebuilt it as a web app with real-time collaboration, something clicked. Suddenly,...
Meet the Slowest Startup Incubator in the World—Pumping Out Billion-dollar Companies 04.03.2026 45:28
Silicon Valley loves billion-dollar moonshots and AI darlings. Sam Gerstenzang and Dan Friedman are doing something different—they're starting medical spas and funeral homes. On this episode of AI & I, Dan Shipper sat down with Gerstenzang and Friedman, partners at Boulton and Watt, which they call the "world's slowest startup incubator." Their model: Come up with an idea, achieve five or 10 m...
Meet the Student With No Teachers, No Homework—Just AI 25.02.2026 53:29
Depending on whom you ask, AI is either the best or worst thing that can happen to the next generation. The arguments come from educators , venture capitalists , op-ed writers , and anxious parents —but rarely from the young people in question. On this episode of AI & I , Dan Shipper sat down with one: Alex Mathew , a 17-year-old high-school senior at Alpha High School in Austin, Texas. Alph...
OpenAI's Codex: This Model Is So Fast It Changes How You Code 18.02.2026 46:41
OpenAI’s hottest app isn’t ChatGPT—it’s Codex. In the last few weeks alone, the Codex team shipped a desktop app, GPT-5.3 Codex (a new flagship model), and Spark, the fastest coding model I’ve ever used. Usage has grown fivefold since January, and over a million people now use Codex weekly. Codex was also the app that OpenAI chose to run an ad for in the Super Bowl. Dan Shipper talked to Thibault...
Inside OpenAI’s Agentic Browser, Atlas 11.02.2026 55:33
The AI labs fighting for attention during the Super Bowl call to mind another iconic Super Bowl moment: Apple’s 1984 ad for the Macintosh , which promised that the personal computer would be a source of unbound wonder, freedom, and delight. They were right, but over time, the personal computer has also become cluttered with errands. These “computer errands”—downloading a W-2 when tax season rolls...
How We Built 'Claudie,' Our AI Project Manager (Full Walkthrough) 04.02.2026 47:15
A few weeks ago, Natalia Quintero wouldn’t have called herself technical. But since the beginning of January, she has woken up at 6 a.m. to vibe code with Claude. The AI project manager she built saved her 14 hours a week. Getting there meant scrapping the system three times and starting over. But the result handles everything from onboarding new clients to generating weekly updates across all pr...
How Andrew Wilkinson Uses Opus 4.5 in His Work and Life 21.01.2026 1:02:58
Entrepreneur Andrew Wilkinson used to sleep nine hours a night. Now he wakes up at 4 a.m. and goes straight to work—because he can’t wait to keep building with Anthropic’s latest model, Opus 4.5 . Two years ago, Wilkinson was obsessed with vibe coding on AI software development platform Replit . It was thrilling to describe something in plain English and watch an app appear, less thrilling when th...
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