A Science of Change

Listen in as Akasha Sawubona and I explore a wide range of topics, including leadership, diversity, and the interconnectedness of being human. 

A far ranging conversation with my friend and colleague Przemek Gawroński. Przemek's unique blend of Akido into his OD and leadership/personal development practice (in turn based on the work of John Scherer) makes him a resource worth seeking. 

Join Ilsa and I as we explore the world of OD, including the Caribbean Center for OD Excellence, or CARI-CODE, which she founded. Ilsa has always been a visionary, and her current vision is the application of OD to the recovery of Jamaica from Hurricane Melissa. In the spirit of Kurt Lewin that would mean supporting the people in the hardest hit regions as they come up with their own solutions to...

My second interview of friend and colleague Monika Stuetzle-Hebel, who has hosted me twice to lead LIOS (Leadership Institute of Seattle) style T-groups in Germany. Listen in as we compare the two methodologies, from the history to the focus and process. 

Kick off 2026 by listening in to this lively conversation between Australian leadeship coach Chris March and I. We covered a lot of territory, from his "Success" model of leadership to authority realtionships, followership, the problem with 360 feedback and anonymous surveys, the Interpersonal Gap, Kurt Lewin, and more. Enjoy. 

I start my fourth year of podcasting with an exploration of leadership with Amos Balongo,  an international speaker and leadership, life & communication coach.  Website: https://amosbalongo.com/ Camp Ohana Foundation: https://campohana.org

Listen in as I chat with Christian Ray Flores, coach, entrepreneur, philanthropist, artist, and author, as he discusses his book and the thinking behind it, Little Book of Big Reasons to Love America: A Love Letter from an Immigrant . For me this was a welcome upbeat conversation about this country that we both love, despite the current challenges we face. 

Listen in as guest host Chris Crosby interviews our 97 year-old father, Robert Crosby, about his many citizen participation projects, just two weeks before dad and I present at the Organization Development Network's 2025 conference, in Spokane, Washington. Our presentation is on the 1984 Riverfront Park project for Spokane, which was my first OD experience. Dad did many such projects, and details...

Hanna reached out to me and we had a lovely conversation about her approach to leadership and change in organizations. 

Listen in as I am the guest of Dr. Neva Alexander's Nevalliance podcast, or watch at https://www.youtube.com/@Nevalliance . Dr. Alexander posed some interesting questions and we covered a lot of ground in this lively 30 minute chat. 

A conversation with my 89 year old Uncle, Lew Frees, who in partnership with his wife, Ann Frees has created a unique OD approach, one rooted in love and connection. 

Listen in as Paul and I discuss our 26 year long collaboration as he led in many situations, consistantly using OD to foster healthy group and organizational dynamics, and to hone his own leadership. The session ranges from our beginning at Peach Bottom Atomic Power Station, to his series of roles including nuclear plant VP, head of an innovative team started from scratch, and COO of a major utili...

Listen in as Lee Povey and I get to know each other, while exploring a range of topics which we both apply in similar yet unique ways in our work with leaders, organizations, and groups. 

A powerful chat with Elar Killumets, a bright and creative Estonian OD professional, friend, and colleague. 

Listen in to an AI talk show on my latest book, Leadership and the Frontline Workforce: Lessons from the Targets of Change . This book is yet another labor of love, bringing to life the vision of my dearly departed friend and colleague Cotton Mears, as well as the stories of workers and bosses who were there before, during, and after Lewinian OD interventions. In the spirit of Studs Terkel, the bo...

An exciting conversation with my brother Chris about the rebirth of the Leadership Institute of Seattle LIOS). Enrollment is open for Fall 2025 in this unique T-group based program, offering unparralleled learning and a  masters degree in Leadership, Management, and Organization Development (MSLMOD). 

Listen in once again as my team of AI generated podcasters have an effective and lively discussion of my 2021 book Spirituality and Emotional Intelligence , which explores EQ by combining social science, neuroscience, and multi-cultural spiritual wisdom from throughout the ages. 

Listen in as a team of AI generated podcasters have an effective and lively discussion based on the introduction to my 2021 book Planned Change , which organizes Kurt Lewin's prolific writing into practical application for change in organizations and society. 

Listen in as a team of AI generated podcasters have an effective and lively discussion based on the introduction to my 2023 Diversity without Dogma , which applies Lewinian social science to addressing racism and other social diseases. 

Listen in as Dr. David Jamieson, current Editor-in-Chief of the OD Review, Past President of NTL, past faculty in numerous OD programs, scholar and practitioner, explores his life as well as the past, present, and future of OD. 

Dr. Joseph George Anjilvelil joins me in my home for a conversation that digs into his life journey into behavioral science, why I wrote my Lewin book, my next book topic of autocracy and democracy in the US, a critique of appreciative inquiry, the birth of the T-group, and other topics. Dr. Anjilvelil fullfills his intent for journeying to Delaware by flipping the roles and interviewing me, thus...

Listen in to a friendly chat with Dr. Nancy Zentis, founder of the Institute of OD (IOD) and the Global Institute of OD (GIOD). Follow along as Nancy tells the story of her journey from her beginnings in OD to her present passionate teaching of and providing OD through her institutes. When you are done, as Nancy puts it, "Go do OD!"

Listen in as a friend and former student talks about his experience of growing up trans in the US, and the current scapegoating of the LGBTQ community. I add the frame of Lewinian social science to decry the authoritarian practice of picking on minorities (those with less power) for political gain. We both give thanks that the manufacturing organization he is with is genuinely respectful and inclu...

A far roaming chat with Dr. Monika Stützle-Hebel, of the DGGO, which in english is the German Society for Group Dynamics (of which you can learn more at https://www.dggo.de). Dr. Stützle-Hebel reached out after learning of my Lewin book, Planned Change , and I eagerly traveled to her in Munich in 2021. We have since collaborated on two lively T-group workshops in Germany, mostly populated by Germa...

One of my favorite podcasts to date! I consider Dr. Burnes of the University of Stirling in Scotland as the preeminent Lewinian scholar alive today, and a wonderful source for understanding Lewin's social science and practical theories of change. If you have information for his upcoming book on Lewin he would love to hear from you! His e-mail is bernard.burnes@stir.ac.uk . Enjoy!