Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

What happens when one partner wants to explore the lifestyle and the other is a “hell no!”? In this entertaining and candid conversation, Zack and Josie are joined by Genie and Dr. G to explore a question that hits close to home for many couples: How do you convince your wife to get into the lifestyle? Presented tongue in cheek, the conversation reveals an underlying truth: You can't convince...

Zack and Josie are on their own again as they tackle a listener’s difficult question about navigating the lifestyle when partners have very different ideas about intimacy, emotions, and what feels comfortable. Only three months into the lifestyle, the listener and his wife have formed a strong four-way connection with another couple. He wants to develop a close, sensual relationship with the other...

For the first time, Zack and Josie recorded an episode of Two Plus Two entirely on their own—and they had plenty to talk about. They share the highs and lows of their first Naughty N’awlins experience, an event they had heard only positive things about. In a little nod to their previous conversation about taboo, they stepped well outside their normal routine and had five back-to-back play experien...

Genie and Dr. G join Zack and Josie for their first appearance on the podcast. For more than a decade, they have created lifestyle events designed to give couples—and eventually singles—a safe, discreet and inclusive place to explore their sexuality. Through Genie Wishes, Arizona Fantasy Club and their fastest-growing group, Hot Wife Community, consent and respect are at the heart of everything th...

Zack and Josie welcome new guests Rick and Gwen for a conversation about their unique journey navigating the lifestyle together. After meeting a little over a year ago, the two began building their connection while exploring how the lifestyle would fit into their relationship. When they met, Gwen was already a unicorn in the lifestyle, while Rick brought extensive experience as a pleasure Dom. Tog...

Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a spirited conversation about one of the most debated concepts in the lifestyle: fairness. From honoring commitments and navigating separate play to managing insecurities and expectations, the couples explore how they define fairness within their own relationships—and whether it even belongs in the equation. Along the way, they tackle questions abou...

Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a candid conversation about lifestyle parties, attraction, connection, and the many factors that shape our experiences. The couples explore their different approaches to the lifestyle and how they balance socializing, friendships, sexual chemistry, and play experiences. They discuss the excitement that comes with meeting someone new, the thrill of t...

Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a candid conversation about a recent lifestyle party they all attended. What started as a discussion about the event quickly evolved into a deeper look at how different couples navigate attraction, communicate interest, and approach new connections. The couples compare their personal styles, discussing everything from subtle signals and direct commu...

Zack and Josie welcome first-time guests Ed and Sarah to the podcast for a fun and unexpectedly relatable lifestyle origin story. What began as a promotional opportunity for Sarah—a former Playboy model—quickly turned into something they never saw coming when they unknowingly arrived at a lifestyle resort. After noticing some unusual interactions between guests, a kind older woman finally pulled t...

Zack and Josie welcome first-time guests Brad and Jenni for a candid and engaging conversation about how their journey into the lifestyle began. What started as Jenni’s private enjoyment of erotica and audiobooks quietly transformed their connection—sparking a level of intimacy Brad couldn’t quite explain until curiosity led him to ask questions. From there, the couple began listening together, ev...

Drew and Suzie are back for a wide-ranging conversation with Zack and Josie about fantasies—where they come from, how they evolve, and why they don’t always follow logic. Drawing from her experience as an erotica author, Suzie shares how deeply she engages with both her own fantasies and those of others, emphasizing that the most powerful turn-ons often center around connection, comfort, and unden...

Zack and Josie are back with Drew and Suzie—and this time, the conversation dives into the dynamics of new vs. repeat play . They kick things off with a bold question: what’s the perfect size? Josie and Suzie quickly find themselves in agreement—and their reasoning sets the tone for a fun, unfiltered conversation. From there, the conversation turns to what really drives desire. Zack says all he ne...

Zack and Josie are joined once again by Drew and Suzie as they unpack their first Bliss Cruise experience—while also explaining why they’ve come to jokingly refer to their Virgin Voyages trips as “Swinger Light.” From their first Bliss sailing—dubbed The Sexy Sampler Cruise —to comparing the overall vibe, they dive into the differences between the two cruise experiences. They break down everything...

Zack and Josie kick off a new chapter of Two Plus Two with a subtle shift in format before welcoming back fan-favorite guest co-hosts Drew and Suzie (formerly known as Luke and Rickie from Episode 41). Together, they dive into their pre–Bliss Cruise adventures in Fort Lauderdale—starting with their first visit to Trapeze and the high-energy hotel meet ‘n greet. From the moment they walk in, they b...

In this episode, the Two Plus Two crew dives into a topic that can quietly shape the lifestyle experience: close friend groups and the perception of cliques. They start by unpacking what a “clique” really is. Is it intentional exclusivity? Or is it simply comfort, chemistry, and shared history that naturally draw certain people together? The conversation explores whether people inside these tight-...

In this episode, Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany dive into what a “successful” play experience really means — and why that definition looks different for each of them. They unpack what matters most in play sessions, the changes they’re intentionally making to increase their enjoyment of the lifestyle, and whether build-up enhances the experience or creates unrealistic expectations — or if there’s...

Round Three is officially underway — and the confessions are bolder, kinkier, and even more revealing than before. In this latest installment of Sexy Swinger Confessions: Yay, Nay, May, or Oh, I’ve Played , the Two Plus Two crew jumps back into the game that always sparks laughter, honesty, and a few jaw-dropping moments. From golden showers and nipple clamps to role-playing throwbacks and risky p...

This isn’t a replay of past episodes—it’s a deeper look at the conversations that didn’t end when the recording stopped. After hearing how certain topics landed with listeners, the crew reflects on what stirred discomfort, curiosity, and strong reactions—and why those responses matter. Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany unpack listener feedback ranging from opinions about Brad’s penis and uncut men (...

Sometimes the healthiest move a couple can make in the lifestyle is to step back. In this episode, the Two Plus Two crew open up about taking breaks—why they happen, how they feel, and what they can reveal about a relationship. Each host shares personal and vulnerable reasons they’ve needed to pause, from forced breaks due to health concerns to intentional step-backs caused by disconnection, burno...

A listener’s message sparks one of the most emotionally loaded conversations we’ve ever had as lifestyle parents. After receiving a text from her adult daughter that read, “I know about you and dad’s extracurricular activities,” we’re forced to confront a question many couples quietly avoid: What happens when your kids know… or might know… about your life? We unpack the initial wave of fear, embar...

Callie is back—returning guest from our STD episode—for a much-needed deep dive into women’s health in the lifestyle. Joined by Zack, Josie, and Brittany, this conversation tackles the realities many women face but rarely hear clearly explained, especially in non-monogamous spaces. We start by unpacking how women are often forced to crowdsource health advice from friends instead of providers, and...

In this candid — and hilariously honest — conversation, all four hosts tackle a topic that rarely gets talked about openly: uncircumcised penises. Brad opens up about growing up uncut in a world where it wasn’t common, including the insecurity, teasing, and the unforgettable childhood nickname “Snuffleupagus.” We explore real-world differences between circumcised and uncircumcised penises — sensit...

In this episode, Zack and Josie sit down with Roger and Jessica, a lifestyle couple whose journey has taken an unexpected turn — into an exclusive, emotionally connected relationship with another couple. After two years in the lifestyle, what began as group dates evolved into alternating date nights, overnight visits, out-of-state trips, and eventually a shared commitment they now describe as havi...

As we get older, our bodies, our priorities, and even the way we experience the lifestyle begin to shift. In this episode, all four hosts are back at the table to talk honestly about aging, self-image, and how time changes our perspective on play, connection, and identity. Brad and Josie — both in their 50s — share what it feels like to realize they’re past the halfway point in life, while Brittan...

To celebrate our first full year of Two Plus Two, we’re pulling back the curtain and sharing some of our favorite private conversations, outrageous stories, and unforgettable play moments. In this milestone episode, Zack and Josie revisit a fun, sexy, weird, and wonderfully awkward party encounter — and yes, they spill all the dirty details. Your Two Plus Two crew also has some fun shaking up the...