Recruiter Stories

NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 36: Jae Um; interview by Jordan Abshire Jae Um, Chief Growth Officer and Head of Knowledge at Lumio, shares her perspective on the future of the legal industry, drawing on her experience in law firm strategy, pricing, innovation, and business development. She argues that today's legal market is becoming increasingly fragmented and dynamic , with firms differ...

Episode 35: Tiffany Ambrose; interview by Jordan Abshire.  Tiffany Ambrose, Principal at Principal Recruiting and a new NALSC board member, reflects on her transition from practicing family law into legal recruiting, explaining how her desire to help people through difficult transitions naturally carried over into the recruiting profession. She discusses how recruiting provided both a rewarding ca...

Episode 34: Victoria Gamble, new NALSC Board Member; interview by Jordan Abshire.   Victoria Gamble, founder of Gamble Partner Search and a new NALSC board member, reflects on her path into legal recruiting and the lessons that shape her partner-level work. Drawing on her experience as a Division I rower at Penn, she emphasizes alignment, consistency, and team-first thinking , noting that successf...

Episode 33, featuring David Gialanella; interview by Jordan Abshire.   David, Editor-in-Chief of The American Lawyer, breaks down ALM's latest lateral report, explaining that today's market reflects an intensification—not a fundamental shift—of longstanding BigLaw dynamics, driven by client demand for scale and full-service platforms. He discusses the rise of a "post-loyalty" mindset, where multip...

Episode 32, featuring Stephanie Chen Banjo; interview by Jordan Abshire.  Stephanie previews her upcoming NALSC Conference breakout session, Navigating Candidate Roadblocks , where she will explore the hidden psychological and practical factors that influence lawyers' career-move decisions. Drawing from her work as an executive and career coach in professional services, Stephanie explains how many...

Episode  31, featuring Chris De Santis; interview by Jordan Abshire.    Chri s previews his upcoming NALSC Conference session,   Closing the Generational Communication Gap .   Chris explains how generational friction is less about personality and more about deeply embedded differences in upbringing, authority, communication, and expectations, with conflict most often arising between adjacent gener...

Episode  30, featuring Ava Diamond Dreyer and Andrew Blatter; interview by Jordan Abshire.   Ava and Andrew preview their upcoming Brain Care Basics session at the NALSC Conference in New Orleans.     Take-aways: Recruiting is neurologically demanding because recruiters are always "on" and operate in a high-stakes, low-control environment. Resulting amygdala activation and stress chemistry can dis...

Podcast Episode 29, featuring David Lat, legal industry observer and founder of Above the Law and Original Jurisdiction; interview by Jordan Abshire.   David shares his thoughts on how Above the Law has changed the legal profession.   David also discusses the impact of OCI's accelerated timeline on lateral movement, the implications of AI, and marketing / branding advice for recruiters.    Lastly,...

Podcast Episode 28, featuring PJ Dunn, Certified Pro-Dev Coach, Behavioral Strategist; interview by Stuart Tenhoor.   Stuart and PJ cover a wide-range of topics relevant to recruiters specifically and professionals generally, including self-limiting beliefs, imposter syndrome, Clifton strength finders, networking tips, untapped potential, and the concept of having a co-pilot, i.e. someone who can...

Podcast 27, featuring Patrick Fuller, Chief Strategist, Legal at ALM; interview by Jordan Abshire. A long-term friend of NALSC, Patrick covers a range of topics, including law firm strategy & challenges across segments, how recruiters can use data, and the importance of being unique, memorable, & irreplaceable.   Patrick injects his trademark humor along the way and closes with a preview of his cu...

Podcast 26, featuring Well-Being, Stress Resiliency, & Peak Performance Consultant Jarrett Green; interview by Jordan Abshire.  Jarrett will be presenting the Keynote at our upcoming Symposium in Denver on "Thriving through the Chaos: Science-Based Tools to Emotionally and Cognitively Thrive and Maximize Your Productivity." In this episode, Jarrett covers his journey from Skadden associate to lawy...

Podcast 25, featuring Personal Branding and LinkedIn Expert, Kait LeDonne; interview by Jordan Abshire.  Kait will be presenting at our upcoming Symposium in Denver on "Building a Magnetic Personal Brand to Elevate Legal Recruiting Success". In this episode, we cover the importance of narrative and story-telling, even to a skeptical, logic-oriented audience of lawyers; "facts tell and stories sell...

Podcast 24, featuring Eva Wisnik; interview by Jordan Abshire.  Career and interview expert Eva Wisnik previews her upcoming panel at the Fall Symposium "Best Practices for Interviewing and Acquiring Lateral Talent."  Eva shares a number of interviewing gems like: 1) Avoid familiarity and curiosity questions; instead, ask questions that give you the chance to hear their thinking. 2) Don't ask ques...

Podcast 23, featuring Blane Prescott; interview by Jordan Abshire.  Law firm management consultant Blane Prescott discusses partner compensation, origination credits, two tiered systems, lateral partner vetting and more.   Wisdom dropped includes: the highest paid partner at a firm may well be under-paid; most partners don't demonstrate whether they're going to be successful at business developmen...

Podcast 22, featuring Amy McCormack; interview by Jordan Abshire.    Long-time NALSC Member walks down memory lane, including the creation of NALSC's first newsletter, faxing resumes, and signing up to be one of Bullhorn's first customers.  Amy also drops a lot of recruiting wisdom, including the 3 components of our profession that a recruiter needs to embrace to be successful: educating, counseli...

Podcast 21, featuring Caren Ulrich Stacy; interview by Jordan Abshire.  Diversity Lab's Caren Ulrich Stacy talks about her early career in legal recruiting and professional development.  Caren also discusses Moneyball for lawyers and insights revealed by data analysis around predictors of success for attorney hires, as well as in-group/out-group dynamics in integration.   After discussing the gene...

Podcast 20, featuring upcoming Conference Speakers Michael Elkins & Amy Mallow; interview by Jordan Abshire.   Michael is a veteran labor employment and sports law attorney who will be part of a panel addressing AI and remote working pitfalls for recruiters. In addition to previewing the panel, Michael shares a number of invaluable tips around branding and social media.   Amy has held a wide varie...

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 19, featuring upcoming Conference Keynote Sterling Miller; interview by Jordan Abshire.

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 18, featuring Joe Ankus on mental health; interview by Jordan Abshire.

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 17, featuring Board Member Connie Rinaldi and NALSC HQ (Stephanie Ankus, Valerie Fontaine); interview by Jordan Abshire.

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 16, featuring Jennifer Gillman and Trevon Jenifer; interview by Jordan Abshire.

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 15: Featuring Fall Symposium Speakers Nikia Gray and Kendall Lowery; interview by Jordan Abshire

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 14: Featuring Fall Symposium Speaker Mey Ly Ortiz and new NALSC Board Member Esther Alpert; interview by Jordan Abshire

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 13: Featuring new NALSC Board Member Kevin Bacon and Fall Symposium Speaker Hilary Gerzhoy; interview by Jordan Abshire

NALSC Recruiter Stories Podcast 12: Featuring new NALSC Board Member Stuart Tenhoor; interview by Jordan Abshire