Then When

Let's Play! 🦉✨ (A.K.A. Our 20th Epiversary Special) How dare we start a podcast? In this economy? Apparently, pretty well, because THIS, friends, is episode twenty. 🎉 And to celebrate hitting their twentieth epiversary, Serina and Mary decided to do something a little different: put down the deep dives, pick up a card game, and just  play . Enter  Smug Owls , the clever riddle-generating party...

Building Your Best Life (Within the One You Already Have) Days become months. Months become years. And then one day you blink and think - wait, when did I stop steering this thing? This week Serina and Mary get into the real, unglamorous, deeply relatable work of taking steps toward your Then When moments, big or small, within the life you're already living. No retreats required. Just you, your id...

Let's Get Inclusive with Nick Lucatino This week, Serina and Mary welcome a very special guest into the Then When chaos:  Nick Lucatino , founder of  Inclusive Pathways Project  and Mary's friend-turned-collaborator since the day they nearly got hit by a car together. Nick is a behavior analyst who's spent his career thinking outside the box about something most of us never talk about out loud: th...

Venture Out! 🌟✨ We're back, we missed you, and we have  stories . After a little time apart — some solo adventures, some found time, some plates spinning, some "life be lifing" — Serina and Mary are back in the pod and ready to catch up with the Then When community. This episode has a different kind of energy to it: quieter, more reflective, a little bit like that deep exhale after a really full...

Then When to Get Vulnerable: Tennette's Story 🌟🎤 What if the moment that changed everything started with a stranger on a park bench? This week, Serina and Mary welcome a very special guest:  Tennette Correia  — storyteller, mother, connector, and the woman Mary met while dancing in line at a book event in Brooklyn (classic Mary, truly). Tennette came into this episode describing herself as someo...

Find Your Voice (And Actually Use It) 🎤✨ Seventy-five percent of people worldwide are afraid of public speaking. SEVENTY-FIVE. Which means chances are good that you, reading this right now, have felt that knot-in-the-stomach, voice-going-wobbly, heart-beating-out-of-your-chest feeling before stepping up to say something in front of other people. Yeah. Us too. This one's for you. This week Serina...

You know that thing you've been putting off since basically forever? Not because you  can't  do it — but because you told yourself a story about why you shouldn't, can't, or won't? Yeah. This one's for you. This week Serina and Mary are getting into the sneaky, shape-shifting world of learned history — those old narratives baked into us from past experiences that quietly run the show when we're no...

Hold Your Ground (And Maybe Pull Some Weeds While You're At It) 🌿🔥 You know that feeling when someone crosses a line and your eyes start  boiling ? Yeah. We've been there. This week Serina and Mary get into the real, sometimes messy work of holding your boundaries — not just setting them and hoping for the best, but actually defending them in the moment, when it counts, when it's hard, and when...

What happens when three ladies, a Lego set, and a two-year plan to play hockey all end up in the same recording session?  This episode.  🏒 We welcomed the one and only  Lisa Oestreicher  to the podcast this week — Serina's longtime friend, certified Lisapedia, queen of handmade cookie cutters, and all-around creative force of nature. (Spoiler: she is  not  just one thing. She is, in her own words...

Then When Will You Love Yourself? 💛 Spoiler: the answer is now. In this episode, Serina and Mary drop in — warm, a little nerdy, and genuinely funny as they dig into what self-love actually looks like — not the polished, curated version, but the real, everyday, still-a-work-in-progress kind. From loving your past self (not just your future one) to joy replenishment, mirror talk, and the rituals t...

Ever notice how a single moment — a stranger's smile, an unexpected compliment, someone just  showing up  — can shift your whole day? ✨ That's what this episode is about. Serina and Mary get into the magic hiding inside everyday human interactions and why those small acts of kindness hit different than we give them credit for. 💛 This one's equal parts heartfelt and energizing, and honestly? It m...

Today on Then When, we had the absolute pleasure of sitting down with the remarkable Sara Wasley ✨ — a wonderfully curious soul who doesn't just dream; she does. 🙌 Sara has a rare and radiant quality: she chases her curiosities with conviction 🔥, turning sparks of wonder into real, lived experiences 🌱. She is, in every sense of the word, a Then When spirit made flesh — someone who refuses to l...

Seize the Day with Scuba Steve! What does it take to chase your deepest passion when life keeps throwing curveballs? 🎯 This week, we're diving in, literally, with the incredible Steve Rindshoj, a scuba instructor who has built a life around the ocean while navigating the very real challenges of living with type 1 diabetes. Steve brings it all to the table: the wisdom of someone who's been humbled...

Welcome back, friends! 🎙️ This week, Serina and Mary are getting serious about those "I'll do it when everything is perfect" moments — and why life is way too interesting to wait. Mary's actually been  doing  the thing, checking off goals she once kept deferring - putting joy on display, and her wins are the kind that make you want to dust off your own list. ✅ Serina, meanwhile, attempted bread —...

Serina and Mary finally get to hang out again IRL! A dance retreat has brought your hosts together to explore whole-body movement, taking up space, side-quest spontaneity, and testing out if Connecticut truly is the center of all things pizza. Listen along for little joyful nuggets of strangers turning into connections, breaking free of your own personal Groundhog Day, and challenging your learned...

Feeling like your brain has too many tabs open and the world is turned up to "extra loud"? We’ve all been there! Join Serina and Mary as they dive into the magic of hitting the pause button. Today, they’re spilling their favorite secrets for resting, recharging, and reclaiming your glow. Think of this as your permission slip to prioritize you through cozy rituals and soulful routines—the ultimate...

Serina and Mary are sliding into your feed to ask: What are you celebrating lately, and what’s that "someday" dream you’ve been keeping on the backburner? 🕯️✨ In this episode, we’re diving deep into the magic of community and the ripple effect of a single conversation. From the power of a "thank you" to why your platonic soulmates deserve more credit, we’re talking: The Gratitude Glow-up: Why min...

This Then When explores the themes of creativity, collaboration, and following passion. It delves into the journey of Mike and Grace, highlighting their inspiring story of pursuing dreams, taking risks, and empowering each other. From finding each other through music to creating Tabletop Inn and developing the Smug Owls game, we showcase the power of embracing life's opportunities and making dream...

On this episode of the Then When Podcast, Serina and Mary discuss the joy of dancing, embracing intuition, overcoming limiting beliefs, and the value of the 'jack of all trades' mentality. They also share insights on selecting and focusing on priorities in a diverse and creative life. The conversation delves into the importance of noticing as a key to mental wellness and the significance of celebr...

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If Serina didn't post the first trailer now, she didn't know WHEN it would have happened!

Welcome to the first episode of the Then When Podcast! Your hosts, Serina and Mary, welcome you in and share their purpose of creating a supportive community that encourages growth and challenges comfort zones. The conversation delves into embracing discomfort, cultivating relationships, embracing vulnerability, and encouraging growth. They share some little victories and invite you to share the s...