The Third Way

In this episode, Jess is joined by Nova Reid as they unpack the question of healing and what that might mean in this moment of polycrisis.  Nova Reid is a thought leader, TED speaker, writer and producer. Often described as a force to be reckoned with, Nova uses her background in mental wellbeing to encourage meaningful change from the inside out. Through her impactful advocacy and powerful p...

Welcome to a brand new season of Healthy Humans for Social Change ! In this kickoff episode, host and founder Jess Mally (they/she) is interviewed by Emma Slade Edmondson . This engaging conversation sets the stage for an exciting season ahead. Emma skillfully guides Jess through a candid discussion about their hopes for the upcoming season, the challenges they face in the work of social change, a...

In this episode, Jess is joined by their friend, chosen family and comrade Jo Becker. Jo and Jess met at a Civil Resistance training course a few years back and have been in each others lives since. Jo (they/she) is currently doing their PhD in the field of autonomous spaces, prefigurative politics and degrowth. This is grounded in political organising bringing anti-hierarchical, abolitionist and...

In this episode Jess is joined by the author, broadcaster and social advocate Yassmin Abdel-Magied. They both happened to be in NYC for various reasons and decided to get together to record this long awaited episode. They cover so much - from Yassmin's advocacy and organising work, her writing, the role her faith plays in her work and the balance between organising offline and online. They talk ab...

TW: Racism, suicidal ideation In this episode, Jess Mally interviews Andre Henry, bestselling author, award-winning musician, and activist based in Los Angeles.  Jess and Andre cover so much ground in this conversation - from Andre’s journey into activism, including their awakening to systemic racism, their studies and exploration of armed struggle vs nonviolent resistance as a strategy, what...

In this episode, Jess is joined by Ani Zonneveld, founder and President of Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV), an international human rights organization that advocates for social justice and equality for all. In this conversation, Ani shares about her journey from being a Grammy Award winning singer-songwriter to founding MPV, her thoughts on the intersection of faith and social justice and why...

In this episode, Jess is joined by Suhaiymah Manzoor-Khan , a poet and writer whose work disrupts assumptions about history, race, violence and knowledge. From interrogating our intentions, to moving past feeling unable to move and act at all, they explore the role of a divine gaze in our social change work. Suhaiymah shares beautifully about her faith and how it impacts her work, about her work w...

In this episode, Jess is joined by the powerhouse sisters and Anti-Racism educators Naomi and Natalie.  From the beginnings of their platform @everydayracism_ , the UK’s largest anti-racism platform on social media, to what racism actually means and what anti-racism requires of us in practice. Naomi and Natalie expand on how their understanding of anti-racism requires an analysis of capitalis...

In this episode, Blair and Jess explore what Pokémon can teach us about Social Change and our place in it. Seriously ;) We can't put more in the show notes because we have so many links and references to share with you (see below) - suffice to say this episode is brilliant and a must listen! As always, like, share and subscribe and leave us some good reviews! Blair's socials: Blair Imani's instagr...

TW: miscarriage/domestic violence In this episode, Jess is joined by the honest multidisciplinary powerhouse Sereena Abbassi. From sharing about her personal journey - her complex childhood and journey to becoming a mother - to the difficult yet important process of healing, overcoming pain and acceptance. Jess and Sereena also discuss their political home, challenges they find there and how self-...

In this transparent episode, Jess swaps the interviewer role and is now in the hot seat! Jess is interviewed by her interdisciplinary talented friend Ronaé Fagon. During the episode, we get to hear Jess’ journey into the social movement sphere and the true intentions behind the podcast. Later on in the conversation, both discuss the importance of bringing integrity and self-awareness to our action...

In this honest and transparent episode, Jess is joined by powerhouse and climate justice activist Mikaela Loach. Mikaela is a climate justice activist, bestselling author of It’s Not That Radical: Climate Action to Transform Our World (April 2023), co-host of The YIKES Podcast, writer and 4th year medical student based in the United Kingdom. In 2020, Forbes, Global Citizen and BBC Woman's Hour nam...

T/W: mentions of suicide/crisis/illness In this episode, Jess is joined by Nora Logan , in discussing her passion for disability justice including her raw and personal story about why she is passionate about health and wellness. Nora is a writer, meditation teacher and the host of the podcast So, Life Wants You Dead , produced in collaboration with Soho House after winning their 'Soho Chance' comp...

This is the first episode of the unedited The Third Way offering, normally available to Patrons of our 'Exclusive Content' Tier only, but because it's the first, I made it available for all tiers as well as on the general podcast feed as 'Unedited' so everyone can have a listen. It is literally unedited. The audio quality isn't amazing - sorry about that! Will be resolved next time. I talk about w...

TW/CW: this episode contains mentions of death and dying  In this first episode of the #HealthyHumansForSocialChange series, Jess is joined by Father Jarel Robinson-Brown, author of “ Black Gay British Christian Queer ". He joins Jess for an open, raw conversation about what it means to be a healthy human in this world. From embracing death to church abolition, the end of the world and more,...

Welcome to the first season and intro episode of Healthy Humans for Social Change. In this intro episode, Jess outlines her intentions for the podcast and discusses the plans for the upcoming season. Join her and her guests each month as they outline their dreams for a healthier and more inclusive world.  Read 'What Does Your Heart Dream Of' Sign up to Jess' Patreon here Find us on IG: The Th...

In this episode, Jess is joined by three wonderful Black women to unpack the topic that is COLOURISM.Colourism is a phenomenon that shows up in the Black community and other communities of colour across the world. It is also very present in media across all forms and understanding and dismantling Colourism is crucial for true social change and authentic diversity. It is not a new phenomenon by any...

In this episode Cephas and Jess are joined by singer, songwriter and budding theologian Rocky NT.They discuss the nature of making mistakes, what there is no growth without them and their thoughts on cancel culture. Go follow Rocky to stay up to date with his work on instagram @rockyntiAs always, share the episode if you like it, send us a review, subscribe and chat to us on twitter and IG.Referen...

SEASON 2 - We’re back! In this introductory episode, Cephas and Jess catch up about the last few months where they’ve been and why they’ve taken a break from recording the podcast. From personal bereavement to dealing with the ongoing lockdown to political madness all over the world, they touch on some of the things that have moved them. One of those is the COVID-19 vaccine. Whilst everyone must o...

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Young King - A poem, gone song, gone film, was released last week and we got the crew together to find out more. Written by our co-host Jess Mally, Music produced by MckNast and film directed by Edem Wornoo, the piece is a manifesto of a new narrative..In our conversation Jess, Josh and Edem shared about their experience with the...

We are so excited to share this episode of our #BlackExcellence series with you. Chloe Pierre @chloepierreldn is the founder of @thy.self and @thy.selfmen - a community actualising self-care & diversity within wellness. Chloe and thy.self were recently featured on @forbes and featured in @vogue - this Black queen is killing the game and we’re so grateful we got to chat with her about life, wellnes...

EPISODE 3 - ART FOR CHANGEIn this episode Jess and Cephas are joined by Daniel Bailey. They talk about the power of art to bring forth a new tomorrow, how far reaching art is (like the protest sign you made the other day…) and how important it is that we stay true to ourselves. Daniel is a Performer, Filmmaker, Journalist, Digital Content Producer and founder of ThePalaceOfTheDogs. He cares deeply...

INTRODUCING: THE #BLACKEXCELLENCE SeriesWe are excited to share this new series with you all! #BlackExcellence is a series dedicated to do one thing:Highlight, elevate and celebrate Black Voices..In this, the first week’s episode, we are bringing William Adoasi to you. Will is the founder of Vitae London - a watch brand producing stunning minimalist watches with maximum social impact. But that’s n...

In this episode Jess and Cephas introduce themselves and share a little bit more about why they started the podcast and what they are hoping to achieve with it. Jess references a Buddhist teacher in their conversation. This is his name and where she heard from him:Bushi Yamato Damashii - the Buddhist teacher we reference, heard on The Liturgist Podcast (Episode BUDDHIST Part 1)We hope you enjoy th...

In this episode, co-host Cephas interviews Jess Mally about the recent events in regards to racism in the US, the global response and the urgent calls for change here in the UK.The episode was recorded one day after Jess attended the Black Lives Matter protest in London and is a raw and honest expression. This isn’t a polished conversation and we certainly hadn’t planned to release this type of ep...