Nevertheless

Separation wasn’t the end of our story — it was the beginning of deep healing. In this final episode, we share what life looked like after obedience. The conversations with family and friends. The grief, confusion, and unexpected peace. The slow rebuilding of identity, faith, and trust in God when the life we once knew was no longer ours. We talk honestly about the aftermath most people never see...

This episode is the one many have been waiting for. After encountering God, conviction didn’t come all at once but it came clearly. What followed was the hardest decision we have ever made: choosing obedience, even when it cost us everything we thought our life would look like. In this episode, we share the real story behind our separation. Not from a place of shame, but from transformation. We ta...

In this episode, we speak honestly about something God began revealing to us long before our separation — our marriage had become an idol. We loved each other deeply, but without realizing it, we had placed our relationship above obedience, above truth, and ultimately above God. What we once called love, God lovingly exposed as misplaced devotion. This episode walks through the conviction, the ten...

After church hurt, we didn’t think we’d ever walk into another church again. But God wasn’t done with us. In this episode, we share what happened when we decided to try church again and how God slowly began to convict, reshape, and soften our hearts. We talk about “church shopping,” joining small groups, finding community, and the quiet moments where the Holy Spirit started speaking louder than ou...

In this episode, we open up about a season where we were searching for healing, truth, and spiritual fulfillment everywhere except God. From New Age practices to witchcraft and counterfeit spirituality, we share how deception can look like light when you don’t yet know the truth. We talk honestly about why these paths felt appealing, what drew us in, and how they ultimately left us more confused,...

In this episode, we open up about the season of church hurt that deeply impacted our faith while being in the LGBTQ+ community. We share what it was like to walk into churches seeking God, only to feel misunderstood, unseen, or wounded by people who represented Him imperfectly. We talk honestly about the confusion, the disappointment, and how close we came to walking away from faith altogether. Th...

Before we ever knew God, before conviction, before surrender, there was a beginning. In this first episode of the Nevertheless Podcast , we take you back to who we were before Christ . We share our backgrounds, how we met, and the foundation our relationship was built on when Jesus was not at the center. This episode isn’t about judgment or hindsight perfection. It’s about honesty. About what love...