In the Meanwhile

In Marcus' final episode as co-host of In the Meanwhile, he and Nora turn the microphones on each other to ask what this strange, joyful experiment has taught them about surviving a slow-motion apocalypse. They reflect on the conversations that changed them, the power of community, the everyday work of making change, and why joy is something worth collecting even in the bleakest times. It's a bitt...

Across the country, everyday people are fighting some of the most powerful AI companies on earth — and winning. But the untold story of data center resistance is that it's not just tech-NIMBYism, but a civil rights and environmental justice fight led by Black and Brown communities. This week, Nora (flying solo while Marcus is out) sits down with Abre' Connor, Director of the Center for Environment...

Today, In the Meanwhile is taking a much-needed breather and sharing the final three episodes of Facing It with Dr. Jennifer Atkinson, a podcast about climate grief, eco-anxiety, and the deeply inconvenient reality of being a human being on a planet in crisis. Because knowing the world is on fire doesn't automatically tell us how to live in it. How do we face grief without surrendering to despair?...

Today, In the Meanwhile is taking a much-needed breather. But we're not leaving you alone with the slow-motion apocalypse. Nora and Marcus are still here to open and close the show, and in between, we're sharing three episodes of Facing It with Dr. Jennifer Atkinson, a podcast about climate grief, eco-anxiety, and the deeply inconvenient reality of being a human being on a planet in crisis. Becaus...

What if democracy involved fewer town halls, and more dance parties? What if our civic engagement also brought us snacks, new friends, and creative joy? This week, Nora and Marcus speak with Evan Weissman, founder of Denver's Warm Cookies of the Revolution, about his wonderfully unhinged experiment in making civic life actually enjoyable. Think Tax Day carnivals, lucha libre, Hot Wheels-powered pa...

America is lonely, angry, unequal, and increasingly wondering whether democracy is still working or just buffering indefinitely. This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus sit down with U.S. Senator Chris Murphy to discuss his new book, Crisis of the Common Good, and his argument that beneath our political dysfunction is something even harder to filibuster away: a crisis of belonging, meaning,...

In 2020, CHOP became one of the most debated protest movements in modern American history. Six years later, as calls for more policing and tougher public safety policies grow louder, artist, educator, and community organizer Julie-C joins the podcast to reflect on what that moment actually was and what lessons have been lost. Julie explores the myths that still surround CHOP, the rise of movement...

The world feels like it's on fire. So what do we do besides doomscroll? This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with author and activist Paul Loeb to talk about his updated classic, The Impossible Will Take a Little While. In the wake of the Seattle Center shooting, and in the middle of authoritarian creep, climate chaos, and collective exhaustion, Loeb makes the case that hope isn't wishful thinking....

What if the same government that can find billions for a war in a matter of months insists there's never enough money to feed a hungry kid or keep a school library stocked? Marcus and Nora sit down with Jesse Hagopian — Seattle educator, Rethinking Schools editor, and author of Teach Truth: The Struggle for Antiracist Education — to follow the money from the Pentagon to the classroom. Jesse traces...

What if we've been asking the wrong question all along? Instead of waiting for institutions that are failing us to finally come to the rescue, what if our real survival has always depended on each other? This week, Dean Spade returns to the podcast to join Nora and Marcus for a timely conversation about the newly updated edition of Mutual Aid. Together they unpack why mutual aid isn't charity but...

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Iranian American democracy advocate Nilu Jenks for a deeply personal conversation about war, diaspora grief, authoritarianism, and the deadly lie of "liberation" through violence. Drawing from her family's lived experience in Iran and her work for more representative democracy here in the U.S., Jenks brings clarity, grief, and fierce moral vision to a momen...

What does it mean to celebrate America at 250 if we've never been honest about the story we've been telling ourselves?   This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Eddie Glaude Jr. for a conversation that's equal parts history lesson, therapy session, and reality check. Drawing from his new book, America, U.S.A.: How Race Shadows the Nation's Anniversaries, Glaude argues that America's biggest probl...

This week Nora and Marcus speak with Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal about what Democrats keep getting wrong, why "moderation" so often means surrendering before the fight starts, and whether the left might finally be done asking permission to act like it has a spine. We talk Medicare for All, immigration, trans rights, the Epstein files, and the political class's ongoing refusal to understand that...

This week on In the Meanwhile,  while billionaires flirt with trillionaire status, ICE detention centers face hunger strikes, and America's political class continues its speedrun through late-stage empire, we sit down with someone doing something radically unfashionable: caring about people. Father Ray Riding is a 76-year-old Catholic missionary who has spent the last two years accompanying migran...

It's been another "37-day week" in America, and In The Meanwhile is doing what it does best: refusing to let the chaos set the agenda. On the heels of Bill Gates' Congressional appearance to be questioned about his role in the Epstein Files, we revisit a prescient conversation from March with Tim Schwab, investigative journalist and author of The Bill Gates Problem.  Schwab walks us through the Ga...

This week on In The Meanwhile, Marcus sits down with Loretta J. Ross — activist, MacArthur Fellow, Smith College professor, and one of the most clear-eyed movement builders of the last five decades — to talk about her new book, Calling In: How to Start Making Change with Those You'd Rather Cancel. The conversation couldn't be more timely. With Democrats tearing each other apart in the run-up to th...

This week on In The Meanwhile, Marcus and Nora spiral from Mark Zuckerberg's $300 million "Launch Pad" yacht docking in Seattle, conveniently timed with 1,400 local layoffs, into a searching, deeply human conversation with housing advocate and legislative candidate Jaelynn Scott. Together, they unpack trans safety, housing justice, coalition-building, and what it means to practice 'grace in the st...

This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus sit down with worker-owner Mark Paschal of Seattle co-ops Jude's Old Town and Rosette for a conversation about what happens when workers stop asking capitalism for dignity and start building alternatives themselves. Between billionaire slush funds, Jeff Bezos embarrassment, and the slow collapse of the "customer is always right" economy, Mark lays out...

Fifty-one episodes. Countless headlines. Several existential spirals. At least one national meltdown per week. And somehow, against all odds and several algorithms designed to emotionally flatten us into paste, we're still here. A year ago, Nora and Marcus started asking a deceptively simple question: what does it mean to live through this, and still remain human? Fifty-one episodes later, they're...

This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus sit down with policy powerhouse Maggie Humphreys for a conversation about motherhood, caregiving, misogyny, and why American families are forced to hold themselves together with duct tape and unpaid labor. From childcare that costs more than college tuition to the fight for paid family leave, Maggie breaks down why the U.S. doesn't actually have "fami...

This week on In The Meanwhile, Marcus and Nora sit down with Peter Beinart for a searching conversation about identity, power, and moral reckoning in the wake of Gaza. Drawing from his book Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza, Beinart challenges the narratives that bind community to state, and asks what it means to confront complicity: honestly, publicly, and at personal cost. From aparthei...

This week on In The Meanwhile, Nora and Marcus sit down with Professor Emily M. Bender for a reality check that cuts through the Silicon Valley fever dream. Because apparently we're all supposed to believe "AI" is either our robot overlord or our climate-saving bestie, and Bender's like: absolutely not, please log off. She dismantles the doomers and the boosters in one clean sweep, exposing how bo...

As headlines spiral from burning warehouses to unholy warfare between the Vatican and White House, Nora and Marcus sit down with civil rights attorney and Copaganda author Alec Karakatsanis to ask a sharper question: what if the story we're being told about crime, safety, and justice is the real manipulation? Karakatsanis pulls back the curtain on how media, political power, and what he calls the...

This week on In the Meanwhile, Marcus and Nora wade through a truly unhinged news cycle: war threats, political absurdity, late-stage empire vibes, and land on something rare: a conversation that actually feels like it offers hope. Enter Washington State Representative Brianna Thomas, who joins the show to talk about the state's new "millionaires' tax", and, more importantly, who it's for, who it'...

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Laura Marquez-Garrett, a plaintiff's attorney at the forefront of a landmark legal battle against Big Tech. Fresh off two historic court victories, Laura pulls back the curtain on how social media companies design products to addict and harm young users, and what it took for families to finally start holding them accountable. What emerges is both chilling a...