Human Cogs
Human Cogs Podcast
Humans Cogs brings you stories that matter, untold truths and conversations about what's really going on in people's lives. Hosted by award-winning entrepreneur, ABC journalist and presenter Madeleine Grummet and psychologist and media contributor Sabina Read, each episode features deep conversations with extraordinary guests who share dark secrets, advice on living and loving well and stories that will challenge what you think you know about yourself, and the world around you. Human Cogs is a point of universal connection for us all, exploring the things that bring us together, and the things...
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Ep. 95 Jacinta Parsons on ageing without apology, shedding the 'good girl' and why solitude might save you. 16.05.2026 46:34
What if ageing wasn't something to fear but something to finally - fiercely - embrace? Jacinta Parsons is an ABC broadcaster, writer, public speaker and newly minted Doctor. She has lived with Crohn's disease for decades, navigated divorce, faced chronic illness and devastating loss, and now come through the other side, not diminished but radically empowered. For her latest book, A Wisdom of...
Ep. 94 Alison Brahe-Daddo on menopause, finding majesty in the mayhem and making marriage work. 10.11.2025 34:44
For anyone who grew up in the late 80s and 90s, the name Alison Brahe-Daddo is synonymous with that Dolly magazine cover - the one blu-tacked to bedroom walls and plastered all over school lockers. With her dazzling smile and golden beach body, Ali exploded onto the Australian modelling scene at the age of 16, gracing the glossy covers of Cleo , Dolly and Cosmopolitan and making herself a ho...
Ep. 93 Kelly Donougher on eschewing life’s “shoulds”, navigating infertility and finding healing through creativity and career change. 22.09.2025 53:11
“How many kids do you have?” It’s a question asked so casually, often as part of small talk. Yet, for those who dreamed of parenthood but find themselves childless, these four words can land with a heavy blow. Today’s guest, Kelly Donougher , is a successful interior designer and founder of 13 Interiors , with design studios in Perth and Melbourne. But behind he...
Ep. 92 Pete Conroy on catastrophe, courage and what happens after the worst day of your life. 19.06.2025 39:40
How often do you think about worst case scenarios? Contemplate fate or imagine catastrophes or run the gamut of ‘what ifs?’ The reality is that none of us really know what’s coming down the life pipes next … as famed author Joan Didion wrote “Life changes fast. Life changes in the instant. You can sit down to dinner and life as you know it ends.” For Pete...
Ep. 91 Don Watson on the power of words, political speechwriting and where to from Trump. 08.04.2025 59:43
Don Watson has spent a lifetime listening closely - to the language of politics, power, persuasion and all the spaces in between. A historian, author and master of the written word, he is perhaps best known as the speechwriter behind some of Australia’s most unforgettable words - including the iconic Redfern Speech , delivered by then-Prime Minister Paul Keating in 1992. It remains one...
Ep. 90 Julia Banks on boys' clubs, Trumpist politics and personal power. 18.03.2025 47:55
Politics is the stuff of Shakespeare. Acts of revenge, personal sabotage, falls from grace and epic power struggles have always pushed politicians in and out of public favour. As Australia heads toward a federal election, in our own political landscape we see the high drama of campaign theatre play out against the global backdrop and twisted plot of an increasingly shaky world order. Do you...
Ep. 89 Sarah Grynberg on shedding skins, letting old friends go and finding greatness. 17.09.2024 53:17
Annus horribilis is a Latin phrase that means "horrible year". It’s the antithesis of annus mirabilis which means "wonderful year". Of course years don’t exist in those binaries but we all know that some years are better than others: some are defined by greatness, and others we just can’t wait to see the back of. As this episode goes to air, Mads shares what this past year has be...
Ep. 88 Stan Grant on life post-Voice To Parliament, lament and writing beauty into the world. 22.08.2024 1:04:21
Stan Grant is a man of remarkable intellect, profound story and deep faith. On a late winter's afternoon recently, I meet Stan in a moment when he is on a difficult journey through a kind of lament - deeply contemplating the three big disciplines that have steeled his extraordinary life and work - physics, philosophy and theology. Stan says since the Voice to Parliament Referendum he’s been...
Ep. 87 Damian Chaparro on swapping a corporate job for a slower pace of life, founding a health retreat and honouring the reset. 04.06.2024 55:03
When you think of a health retreat, I wonder what thoughts and feelings come to mind? Yoga with a monk on a mountain, people healing their deepest wounds around grief, illness or weight issues, or perhaps it’s images of Nicole Kidman in 9 Perfect Strangers as depicted in the book and movie? I’ve attended countless retreats in Australia and overseas, and every time I have made one or two changes th...
Ep. 86 Jo Stanley on women in media, comedy as catharsis and the case for vulvas. 07.05.2024 58:51
If you’ve turned on the radio lately, have you ever sat back to listen to who’s telling the stories? Current data shows that only 27 per cent of radio hosts are women, female experts are quoted just 34 per cent of the time and - here’s the clanger - NINETY PER CENT of radio voices of people aged over 45 are in fact - men. Yep. NINETY per cent. Why is that? What’s going on? And how does this skew a...
Ep. 85 Corrie Perkin on the Fourth Estate, storytelling and why words do matter. 23.04.2024 45:59
It was the poet and civil rights activist Maya Angelou who once said ‘there is no greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you’. Stories are what help us make sense of the world around us and of ourselves, of great tragedies and fates and fortunes, of buried histories and mysteries, of the untold secrets and human essence of things. Journalist Corrie Perkin was born with stories in her bl...
Ep 84. Dr Meg Jay on rethinking your twenties, why this decade isn't necessarily "the best years of your life" and thriving through skills not pills. 16.04.2024 55:45
Being a young person in your 20s is a complicated and challenging time. Whether you’re living through this decade of your life now, or you’re a parent to a twenty something, you likely already know that the 20s are the most uncertain decade of life. In this episode, we talk to the always compassionate and wise Dr Meg Jay , a developmental clinical psychologist, who is on faculty at the University...
Ep 83. Grace Tame on social justice, human connection and sharing our pain. 28.03.2024 1:01:34
Grace Tame is a name that needs little introduction, but that doesn’t mean you know Grace - or indeed her story - on her own terms. Catapulted into the spotlight as 'Australian of the Year' in 2021, Grace stepped squarely into the public eye and became a powerful catalyst for a tidal wave of conversation, action and policy change for survivor-victims of sexual abuse across Australia. Finally, th...
Ep. 82 Cat Bohannon on the science of sex, why men have nipples and how the female body drove 200 million years of human evolution. 13.02.2024 58:26
Over the Summer I spent countless hours deep in the pages of a remarkable book called Eve: How The Female Body Drove 200 Million Years of Human Evolution . The book is written by the very entertaining scholar, researcher and poet Cat Bohannon, and it's making very big waves across the world right now. The book is an epic story and sweeping scientific exploration that starts with mammals 200 millio...
Ep. 81 Cath Mahoney on over-sharing, a high-profile divorce, career change insights and coming back to self. 05.02.2024 49:06
When you google Catherine Mahoney, the first thing it says is Andrew John’s ex-wife. But as I know nothing about the NRL or his career as one of Australia’s biggest sports stars, this isn’t what led me to invite Cath to join us on Human Cogs. Cath is an ex-publicist, writer, podcaster, talented creative, and had me rollicking on the floor with laughter when we first met two years ago. Her warm, fu...
Ep. 80 Rachelle Unreich on mothers and daughters, fate and the goodness of people. 22.11.2023 46:29
How are you going with the state of the world right now? Wars and violence continue to rage, hate and abuse fill social media feeds, and an escalation of ideological conflict is causing uncertainty and division in our politics, in our communities and at our dinner tables. It can make you lose a little faith in the world ... wonder if humanity will be ok, whether we can actually save ourselves from...
Ep. 79 Kate Legge on infidelity, extramarital affairs and how we become who we are. 02.10.2023 56:50
“Affairs are a little like childbirth. Someone is always having one somewhere, usually right under the nose of a spouse because nobody knows everything that happens inside a marriage, not even the people in it.” Award-winning author and journalist Kate Legge has chronicled social and political affairs and other people’s stories since the 1980s. But Kate’s latest book - an unflinchingly honest and...
Ep 78. Michael Bunting on mindful leadership, owning our shadow self and the power of being vulnerable on LinkedIn. 18.09.2023 1:08:35
We’re all familiar with the idea of mindfulness and leadership and most of us would have some preconceived ideas about what each of these terms mean. So what happens when the two constructs collide at the deepest level? And what does mindful leadership mean for the leader, the team, the organisation and the bottom line? Michael Bunting is a keynote speaker, best-selling author, researcher, facilit...
Ep. 77 Thomas Mayo on The Voice To Parliament and why you need to be informed. 04.09.2023 32:52
Over recent weeks we’ve all watched and listened to the debate over 'The Voice to Parliament' play out in the media, at dinner tables and in the public sphere. Conversations have caught fire and it seems that a lot of confusion has got in the way of the facts. This is partly because right-wing hardliners have deliberately launched misinformation and disinformation to seed fear, cloud issues and i...
Ep. 76 Dr Lucy Hone on the three secrets of resilient people, navigating unbearable grief and coping with loss. 21.08.2023 55:27
A quick google search shows that almost 8 hundred million people have searched for the term resilience and close to 5 hundred million have searched for the term grief. However, far less frequently, and perhaps somewhat surprisingly, have the two concepts collided. Dr Lucy Hone is a best-selling author, speaker and award-winning academic researcher with a gift for translating complex science into p...
Ep. 75 Kerri Sackville on the power of solitude, tips for turning inward and the great cost of avoiding ourselves. 07.08.2023 55:34
Kerri Sackville is a writer and columnist for Sunday Life magazine in The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald. She’s also the author of five books, including her most recent, The Secret Life of You – How a Bit of Alone Time Can Change your Life, Relationships, and Maybe the World! Now, those listeners who know me well, know that even though I’m endlessly curious, I am not a voracious reader of book...
Ep. 74 Ange Harbinson on the impact of ending a marriage, pathways to separation and how to create a healthier divorce. 25.07.2023 43:03
Ange Harbinson is an entrepreneur, tech and innovation trailblazer, digital strategist, and lover of all things data! In 2019, when she was still the Managing Director of Thirst Creative, a marketing, design and digital agency she co-founded with her husband, Ange saw a gap in the market for online resources to support people going through separation and divorce, and she cofounded The Separation G...
Ep. 73 Jane Rowe and Prue Mahar on the ripples of parental addiction on children, kinship care and why it takes a village. 10.07.2023 51:33
In this episode of Human Cogs, Sabina speaks with not one, but two guests to better understand the devastating effects that drug use has on the children of drug users, and the cycle of abuse that can repeat if no action is taken. Prue Mahar shares her story of what unfolded after her sister left behind two young children following a drug overdose. In addition to Prue’s lived experience and insight...
Ep. 72 Jeremy Macvean on the power of fatherhood, using our superpowers for good and connecting with kids as a single parent. 06.06.2023 52:32
Jeremy Macvean is a marketing and communications expert who has held senior roles at Clemengers, Young & Rubicam and Austereo among others before deciding he wanted to use his comms expertise and insights for good not evil. This realisation led Jeremy to share his marketing and digital nous with the Royal Women’s Hospital, Peter McCallum Cancer Centre and The Movember Foundation… and in 2019 J...
Ep. 71 Lael Stone on self-healing, present parenting and supporting the whole child in an educational system that isn't working. 23.05.2023 48:20
What do you think are the most important ingredients for a young person to learn and thrive? While we’ve hopefully come a long way since reading, writing and arithmetic topped the list, we wonder how many of you would say that connection, empathy and a sense of agency matter most when it comes to educating young people to step out into the world and be their best selves. In this conversation we m...
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