For The Love Of: Trade-offs we make in pursuit of our passions

We’re entering a new season (literally and creatively) and in true  For The Love Of fashion, we’re embracing the pivot.   In this "behind the scenes" chat, we share why we’re shifting away from a regular episode cadence for now, what it actually takes to produce a podcast, and how we’re making space for new ideas in 2025.   Here's your reminder that passion projects get to evolve. &...

Do you find that when spring arrives, you jump into that buzzy energy too quickly and overcommit?   Same. 🙋‍♀️ In honor of slowing down our seasonal tradition AND to reflect on the past 1.5 years of this show, we want to revisit our very first episode.   Katie’s story is the ultimate pivot: from a six-figure job to bartending on an expedition ship in Antarctica, and eventually kite skii...

This athlete is dedicating 2025 to embracing the tradeoffs that come with a passion.   Sydney Schroder is a professional snowboarder based in South Lake Tahoe. Originally from Texas, Sydney committed to a life and career in the snowboard industry 10 years ago and hasn't looked back.   She now competes in free ride snowboarding at a high level, including the Freeride World Qualifiers whil...

When an injury limits how you can perform work, art, and creativity, how do you find joy?   April Donovan, also known as the performer MC AP Real, is a rapper involved in three different musical projects as well as a formally trained artist, graphic designer, advertiser, and illustrator.    April suffered a serious traumatic brain injury in 2018 that landed her in a coma for 10 days...

Access to nature is a fundamental right, and Vivianette is advocating for it in a creative way.   Vivianette Ortiz Caraballo is a proud Puerto Rican, Latina, and madre living in Western North Carolina.   With a passion for community resilience and adventure, she founded Latinos Aventureros to help others enjoy the fundamental right of access to nature. Her outdoor events and programs are...

⛵ Can you honor security and adventure at the same time?   Tina and Rhett Jacobi are a husband and wife team living in the Columbia River Gorge. They co-founded their business, Big Water Construction, after returning from a several months long sailing trip, including an Atlantic crossing.   In the middle of the ocean, they hosted their own Zoom wedding from the boat. As artists, athlete...

FUN NEWS! ✨ The show has led to some deep IRL conversations lately, so we want to dig into YOUR life… What are the trade-offs and pivots you’re pondering right now? Thinking about a career change? Money moves? Parenthood decisions? Send us an anonymous “letter” ( via this form ), and Jeni and Angie will give you our perspectives on a future mini-episode. And now…   🎙️ Jason Russ is a lifelon...

Pro athletes might look like they have ultimate freedom, but that lifestyle isn’t always what you think.   Barrett Christy Cummins began her snowboarding career in the early 1990’s as the sport was starting to gain mainstream attention. From 1993-2003, she competed at the highest level, filmed movie parts and commercials, and enjoyed the perks of sponsorship with some of the biggest brands in...

“Life is a series of trade-offs.” “Never a failure, always a lesson.” “Did you see this photo of my cat?”   We’re sharing our OWN honest reflections of the year, highlighting the top trade-offs we both made in 2024.   You’ll hear about: Reckoning with the dark side of social media: do the costs outweigh the benefits? Where do you go online without Instagram? Jeni now has something to nur...

What does training for spending weeks deep underground teach you about the rest of life?   Katie Graham is a passionate cave and canyon explorer who discovered Canada’s deepest and second deepest caves. This feat was showcased in the 2023 documentary film “Subterranean.”   Katie is a fellow of the Royal Canadian Geographic Society and president of the Alberta Speleological Society. As a...

What does it mean to uncage your own soul and find vitality, even in challenging periods of life?   John Waller is an award-winning filmmaker, speaker, and adventurer. After founding the video production company Uncage the Soul in 2004, he dedicated his career to capturing wild and serene landscapes, as well as the stories of the people who call them home.   In 2020, John was diagnosed w...

Marina Legree has an educational background in international affairs and public policy and has spent over two decades living around the world and working with international aid agencies.   In 2015, she founded the nonprofit Ascend Athletics, which redefines opportunity for women in Afghanistan and Pakistan through mountaineering based leadership training and community service.   We talk...

When you watch epic ski films, do you ever wonder about the person behind the camera?   Bjarne Salén is an adventure documentary filmmaker, photographer and entrepreneur originally from Sweden and currently living in Hood River, OR. Over the past 15 years, he’s traveled the globe to create documentaries, short films, and photographic works.   Bjarne has directed and produced films for br...

This man has played many a serial killer on TV, but he's way more down to earth than his characters may appear.   Ryan Devlin is an entrepreneur, rock climber, rad dad, and actor best known for his roles on shows like Veronica Mars and Grey's Anatomy. In his words, he’s “just trying to fit it all in.”   He's also the host of The Struggle Climbing Show, one of the most popular rock climbi...

Ever get the urge to throw all your stuff in an Astrovan and leave your corporate job for good?   Sunny Stroeer is a record setting adventure athlete and entrepreneur known for her feats in extreme sports and her work in outdoor adventure media. She runs two adventure guiding services and the nonprofit Summit Scholarship Foundation.   Sunny combines her corporate career background and Ha...

Would you take a job that has you stand in a fiery pit that’s been burning for decades in the Turkmenistan desert, rig a rope across a boiling lake, and put yourself in the middle of Tornado Alley?   George didn’t take the job– he made it, and he took his camera with him.   George Kourounis is a National Geographic Explorer, storm chaser, science communicator, and host of the Angry Plane...

Ready to be the most intriguing conversation sparker in the room?   Angie and Jeni spill their previously unshared thoughts on life purpose, gratitude for pain, imposter syndrome, alcohol, and more as we surprise each other with deep questions inspired by our guests.   It’s our celebration of 24 episodes with guests who’ve gotten honest on the trade-offs they’ve made to pursue their pass...

Everyone can feel the confidence of a drag queen on stage, but there’s more than meets the eye.   Samuel Thrower performs as Slutashia, Oregon’s drag raptress.   Samuel is a multi talented drag queen, vocalist, and rapper from Eugene, Oregon. Slutashia possesses a modern-day hip-hop aura and delivers her original rhymes with strong power and confidence. She has had the pleasure of openin...

Picking up “The Perfect Storm” at a Blockbuster could forever change your life… Or at least it did for Matt.   Matt Schollard is a former special operations Pararescue team leader and lifelong action sport athlete.   As a water confidence coach, he is passionate about developing future special operations candidates, extreme athletes, and anyone curious about expanding their perceived lim...

Being told he might have a week to live ended up changing Adam’s life for the better. Adam Spillman, once an athlete, transitioned into a coach, mentor, and motivational speaker following a life-altering cancer diagnosis at age 30, when he was initially given just one week to live. Now, Adam helps others unlock their full potential and enhance their health and well-being, drawing from the same str...

The places we don’t always think of as adventure destinations are precisely the places Mason Gravley likes to explore. Mason grew up somewhere between the swamps, orange groves, and cattle ranches of central Florida. After vagabonding throughout the western US, he’s come back to find a deep relationship with his home state. Now, Mason's Lead Adventurer for Athletic Brewing and hosts the Adventure...

Kayaking waterfalls and creating epic films looks glamorous from the outside, but if there’s one thing the river’s taught Rush, it’s humility. Rush Sturges is one of the world’s most influential whitewater kayakers, a prominent action sports filmmaker, and a devoted musician. Rush has honed his filmmaking and paddling skills on location in some of the planet’s wildest places, from Pakistan to Chin...

Like it or not, we live in a capitalist society– so, what can we do to benefit ourselves and the world? Mel Strong started her career as a first grade teacher and journalist. A fateful interview with her long-time running hero Joan Benoit Samuelson led to a long-shot interview for an entry level job at Nike — a process that included running twice around Nike campus with her future manager. Mel spe...

We want your stories! (Yes, you.) We're collecting emails and voice memos about your own tradeoffs that you’ve made around your career. Go to fortheloveofpod.com/submit to share your written or spoken story about the pivots you've made in your career, work, gigs, or jobby jobs.   This former MLB pitcher discovered that he has more meaning and impact behind the scenes of sports than when stand...

We want your stories! (Yes, you.) We're collecting emails and voice memos about your own tradeoffs that you’ve made around your career. Go to fortheloveofpod.com/submit to share your written or spoken story about the pivots you've made in your career, work, gigs, or jobby jobs.   Emily Holland is a podcast consultant and strategist in Boulder, CO. In a previous life, Emily was a corporate gir...