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Conversations: Our Evolving World
Great minds making sense of our fast-changing world. Guests including Cheng Lei, Jonathan Haidt and Brolga Barns: authors of A Memoir of Freedom and The Anxious Generation, and the founder of The Kangaroo Sanctuary, sit down for a Conversation withRichard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski. In this collection of episodes, we’ve reached back into the rich archive and curated a selection of episodes where our guests speak about lived experiences and concepts like society, technology, democracy, war, survival and adaptive skills, generational differences, science, and justice etc. To binge even more great...
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How a teen father used the local skate park to change the world 28.05.2026 51:42
Jayden Sheridan was just 17 years old when he found out he was going to be a father, and immediately Jayden knew he needed to give his son better opportunities than he ever had growing up in regional Victoria. (R) In Seymour, which is one of the most disadvantaged postcodes in Australia, Jayden experienced homelessness, substance abuse, violence and a general lack of direction. He had no male rol...
Jimmy Wales says it is possible to have a collaborative, trusting world online 27.05.2026 52:00
The Wikipedia co-founder has developed seven rules for building trust to create a better world, both on the internet and IRL. Growing up in Huntsville, Alabama, Jimmy was enamoured with his family's Encyclopaedia Britannica. The city was home to NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre, and the energy of the place gave a young Jimmy a robust enthusiasm for technology and the future. As a young man, Jim...
Mass murder, cannibalism and insanity — inside Mao's cultural revolution 25.06.2025 47:36
China's cultural revolution was murderously violent and culturally devastating; millions of people, artefacts and ideas went up in smoke. So what's fuelling today's Neo-Maoist movement and nostalgia for that period? In 1966, the Chinese revolutionary leader Mao Zedong went to war against his own government. What followed was ten years of murderous violence and utter insanity, until Mao's death in...
Part TWO: Locked up in China — Cheng Lei on cell mates, singing and survival 05.06.2025 48:06
Cheng Lei's years in detention in China, on trumped-up espionage charges, go from cruel and isolating, to absurd and romantic when she gets moved into a cell with three other women. The Chinese-Australian journalist was held in detention in China for more than three years, accused of selling state secrets to foreign people and powers. In episode one of this two-part series, Lei explained how the c...
Part ONE: Locked up in China — Cheng Lei on state paranoia and staying sane in isolation 04.06.2025 49:00
When journalist Cheng Lei was detained by Chinese state security agents, she thought would be freed within the week. Instead, she was held on absurd espionage charges for more than three years, much of that time spent in isolation. When Cheng Lei moved back to the country of her birth after the dramatic opening up of China to the world, she was a part of something exciting and historic. That all c...
Undercover hitmen, shady drug deals and covert surveillance — life as a top cop 18.03.2025 53:00
While working as an undercover cop, Nick Kaldas played a drug baron in the market for vast quantities of hemp oil, tracked a fugitive with a penchant for hair transplants, and posed as a hit man for a spurned lover. Nick was a 21-year-old immigrant lad from Egypt when he decided to join the NSW Police Force. He soon rose up the ranks from working as a junior constable on the beat, then as one of t...
Tim Winton on staying alive, in extremis 13.03.2025 47:24
Australian writer Tim Winton on the stories which inspired his latest novel, 'Juice', a story of determination, survival, and the limits of the human spirit. 'Juice' is an astonishing feat of imagination. It takes us to a far-off future on a superheated planet, where people must live like desert frogs in Northwest Australia. They go underground for the murderously hot summer months, before emergi...
Could you live forever? The neuroscience behind brain preservation, consciousness and death 11.03.2025 50:18
Would you want to live for longer? Forever? Have your mind preserved and uploaded into something non-human? And is it even possible? Neuroscientist Dr Ariel Zeleznikow explores challenging ideas about life and death. From adding a few decades onto a life span, to suspending the aging process altogether, and more radically, uploading a preserved brain and consciousness into an entirely different ph...
Drug bazaars, hitmen and hackers — why Eileen went deep into the dark web 06.02.2025 50:00
Lawyer turned journalist Eileen Ormsby on her journey deeper and deeper into the internet's 'evil twin', where, under the cloak of anonymity, people sell buy and share anything a person is willing to pay for. Eileen Ormsby had just returned to university to study journalism when her friend told her about a website called The Silk Road. Created by American libertarian, Ross Ulbricht, it was essent...
Richard's Most Memorable Guests — Ross Gittins 31.12.2024 52:00
Conversations is bringing you a summer treat — a collection of Richard's most memorable guests through out the years. Ross Gittins is one of Australia’s most popular newspaper columnists. For five decades, he has explained the inner workings of the Australian economy to readers in plain English through his three weekly columns in the Sydney Morning Herald. Ross Gittins is one of Australia’s most...
Jonathan Haidt on 'attention fracking' and how to stop tech companies from stealing your child's focus 29.11.2024 52:18
Social psychologist Jonathan Haidt says it is time to reinstate the play-based childhood to bring our kids back from life online and into the real world, away from their increasing obsession with devices. It’s a fact of modern life that children who are given smart phones are able to access pornography, real images of violence and harmful comparisons with their friends and also influencers around...
I was a political prisoner in Myanmar — and I could never hate the Burmese 14.10.2024 52:30
Following the coup of 2021, Australian economist Sean Turnell received an email from a "secret friend", warning him he was being watched by Myanmar's military. Moments later, the police closed in on him. Sean Turnell is an Australian economist with longstanding connections to Myanmar, the nation formerly known as Burma. In 2016, Sean was appointed as senior economic advisor to the dissident Aung S...
The unexpected plot twist: The tech nerd who changed course to help the homeless 24.09.2024 50:54
Jon Owen's mum enrolled him in a computer science degree at University - expecting him to build a flourishing career; which he did. It just wasn't the one that everyone expected. (R) Jon Owen came to Australia as a small child. He survived playground racism at school, and became a high achiever. His family expected him to excel at school and university and go on to a flourishing career. And that's...
Epic sharks — the ancient origins of the monsters of the sea 10.09.2024 50:06
From sharks with wheels of teeth, to gargantuan sharks like the megalodon, palaeontologist John Long has traced the long and storied history of these oceanic hunters. Sharks and humans have a complicated relationship. We have long considered them monsters and super predators that should be eliminated for our own safety. But sharks are much more than scary and fearsome. The history of this incredib...
The sprawling history of the human soul — part two 26.08.2024 48:30
In this two-part series, historian Paul Ham traces how our definition and understanding of the human soul has transformed over thousands of years. Humans have been probing their own invisible inner voice since the Stone Age. But where did the concept of the soul even come from? And is it really what separates the living from the dead? Historian and writer Paul Ham has traced how our definition and...
The sprawling history of the human soul — part one 19.08.2024 52:00
In this two-part series, historian Paul Ham traces how our definition and understanding of the human soul has transformed over thousands of years. Humans have been probing their own invisible inner voice since the Stone Age. But where did the concept of the soul even come from? And is it really what separates the living from the dead?
The Natural Horseman 16.08.2024 53:06
People travel from all over the world to learn about horses from Ken Faulkner. But after a life-threatening riding accident on his favourite horse, Smoke, Ken had to learn to walk and ride again, rediscovering himself in the process
Ken Wyatt - the Noongar boy who made history 08.07.2024 52:18
Ken Wyatt was born at Roelands Mission in outback WA, where his mother had been taken as a small girl, after she was stolen from her family. More than 60 years later, he became Australia's first Indigenous Minister for Indigenous Australians Ken Wyatt was born at Roelands Mission in outback WA, where his mother had been taken as a small girl, after she was stolen from her family. More than 60 year...
David Wengrow: everything we know about the human story is wrong 29.05.2024 49:24
Archaeologist David Wengrow has discovered an entirely new way to think about the history of humanity, from the origins of farming, cities, democracy and slavery to civilisation itself. What sort of world could we create if we stopped believing that inequality is the price of progress? More than a decade ago, archaeologist David Wengrow started exploring this question with his friend the late Davi...
How Bri Lee became an incendiary 02.04.2024 51:42
Bri Lee on the brutal series of events which began her life as a writer tackling injustice in our courts, the beauty industry, and in our schools (CW: description of legal processes relating to sexual assault)
Aunty Ruth Hegarty’s life of defiance 25.01.2024 52:13
The hardship, cruelty and loneliness of the mission system during the Great Depression didn't crush Aunty Ruth Hegarty's spirit. She found her voice, God and her family. In 1929 during the Great Depression, Ruth Hegarty travelled with her mother and grandparents to Barambah, later known as Cherbourg Aboriginal Mission. After being told someone there would help them find a new home, they soon disco...
Wily cockatoos, bin chickens and spangled drongos 10.11.2023 50:24
Darryl Jones on the dramatic lives of Australia's city-dwelling native birds
Kylie Moore-Gilbert's freedom fight 08.11.2023 52:30
Kylie Moore-Gilbert spent two years inside the Iranian prison system, secretly communicating with fellow women prisoners while she waited for news from Australia
Suzie Miller: finder of ways 29.09.2023 53:06
Suzie Miller with stories from her free range St Kilda childhood, her drama-filled life as a lawyer, and the inspiration behind her play Prima Facie
Xanthe Mallett on skeletons, forensics, crime and body farms 27.09.2023 51:18
Forensic scientist Dr Xanthe Mallett on her work analysing skeletal remains, investigating cases of wrongful conviction and studying the decomposition of the human body (CW: contains references to death and crime) Xanthe is a forensic anthropologist, criminologist and author who works with police to analyse skeletal remains. Xanthe worked for years at Scotland's Centre for Anatomy and Human Ident...
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