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Alternative Exit
Alternative Exit is a dedicated to educating small business owners about the possibilities, benefits, and challenges of transitioning to an employee ownership model. There are over 200m SMEs with an owner who will be retiring in the next 10 years, many of which will never find a buyer for their business, forcing them to close their doors. There is an alternative. This show will explore various the different forms of employee ownership and best practices for successful transitions. Each episode features interviews with experts in employee ownership, business owners who have made the transition...
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Alternative Exit #70 | Eleven Years to an Overnight Success | Andreas Jørgensen, Demokratisk Erhverv 08.10.2026 41:40
Two years ago Denmark had almost no employee-owned companies. Since then it has passed employee ownership legislation (in force 1 January 2026), launched Center for Medarbejdereje, a national centre for employee ownership, and completed the largest study yet comparing UK Employee Ownership Trusts with management buyouts. Andreas explains how the Danish model differs from the UK EOT, with direct ow...
Alternative Exit #69 | The Finish Line She Didn't Want to Cross | Shannon Litton, 3LS 24.09.2026 45:30
About the episode: Shannon co-founded 5by5, a Nashville marketing agency that made the Inc. 5000 list in five of its first seven eligible years. As private equity and trade buyers came calling, she realised selling would mean walking in the next day and saying goodbye to the team that built it. Then a new client told her over lunch that his employees owned the company. Shannon walks Andy through y...
Alternative Exit #68 | It Took a Strike To Give the Company Away | Sam Boustred, Scott Bader 17.09.2026 28:57
am Boustred, Chair of the Global Members' Board, Scott Bader (Wollaston, UK) Scott Bader went employee owned in 1951, 63 years before the Employee Ownership Trust existed in UK law. Founder Ernest Bader was a Quaker who did not want to share ownership. He wanted to dissolve it. So he put every share into a registered charity, the Scott Bader Commonwealth. Sam joined the company in 2012 as a proces...
Alternative Exit #67 | It Feels Too Good To Be True….but It Is | Kevin Franks, novo hair 10.09.2026 30:29
In 1980 Kevin walked out of his accountancy studies to cut hair. Three years later he opened his first salon in Southend with five chairs and a £1,000 decorating budget. This April, 43 years on, he handed the whole business to his team. novo hair is now 100% employee owned through a UK Employee Ownership Trust, 15 people, all partners. Kevin walks Andy through the three trade sales that fell over,...
Alternative Exit #66 | Returns & Purpose on a Level Playing Field | Monarch's Katie & Michael 16.07.2026 32:10
Our first ever double episode. 🎧 Andy sits down with both founders of Monarch Investment Partners to explore the question at the heart of employee ownership: who should own your business next? Katie and Michael unpack why external capital has been the missing piece in scaling employee ownership, how ESOPs create genuine alignment of incentives, and why returns and purpose belong on a level playin...
Alternative Exit #65 | He Bought a 94 yo Business, Then Gave It to the Team | Bob Whalen, HB Global 21.05.2026 43:44
Bob Whalen walked into a 94-year-old, third-generation family business in 2008 and, within two years, transitioned it to a 100% ESOP. What started as a way to make the deal more tax-efficient became his professional purpose. Fifteen years on, HB Global has grown almost 10x, completed close to 20 acquisitions, and built over $110M of value sitting inside its employee owners' accounts. In this episo...
Alternative Exit #64 | 400+ Transitions Later: What Actually Makes EO Work 30.04.2026 42:46
After 400+ employee ownership transitions and over two decades in the space, Ewan Hall has seen what works and what doesn't. In this episode, he walks Andy through the practical realities of EOT transitions in the UK — from the tax recalibration last October to the four pillars every successful transition needs (deal, ownership, governance, culture). Ewan unpacks the concept of "enough" that unloc...
Alternative Exit #63 | No Silver Bullet, But There Is Magic in EO | Joseph Cureton, Sarvis Health 23.04.2026 43:58
Joseph Cureton spent nearly a decade building Obran Cooperative, the first worker-owned cooperative holding company in the US. In 2025, he exited and started something new. Sarvis Health is an ESOP-based roll-up of home care agencies, wrapped in a proprietary AI-enabled operating platform called Sarvis OS. In this conversation, Joseph breaks down why he shifted from co-op to ESOP, what he learned...
Alternative Exit #62 | From Fortune 500 to EO: why Kevin Clegg bet on his people & doubled profits 02.04.2026 41:11
What happens when a CEO with over a decade in Fortune 500 companies returns to a family auto business and insists from day one that any exit must benefit the employees? You get America's first employee ownership trust – and one of the most compelling performance stories in the employee ownership movement. Kevin Clegg shares how Clegg Auto, a group of four repair shops in Utah County, doubled profi...
Sleeping Giant: How One MD Tripled Revenue Through Employee Ownership | Colin Wade, Chemco 12.03.2026 29:38
What happens when you stop looking for a younger version of yourself and start fixing what's actually broken? Colin Wade tripled revenue at a Scottish coatings manufacturer by doing succession differently. About the episode: Most founders approach succession by searching for someone just like them — younger, with decades of niche expertise, ready to replicate what made the business successful. Col...
Alternative Exit #60 | Three Dimensions of Ownership: Purpose, Profit & Power | Mark Hand 26.02.2026 38:54
What if every business owner played a different game? Mark Hand has spent his career asking that question, first in community development in Latin America, then as an impact investor, and now as a scholar mapping the ownership economy. His weekly newsletter, The Stakehold, tracks everything from ESOPs to worker co-ops to purpose trusts, revealing an ecosystem most people don't realise exists. In t...
Alternative Exit #59 | The Danish Blueprint: How to Pass Employee Ownership Laws w Andreas Jørgensen 19.02.2026 30:45
On 1st January 2026, Denmark made history. For the first time, the country passed dedicated legislation creating a vehicle for employee ownership — the EOC, or Employee Ownership Company. This is the story of how it happened. Andreas Pinstrup Jørgensen spent seven years cold-calling politicians, uniting seven parties across the political divide, building coalitions with unions and universities, an...
Alternative Exit #58 | A 40M Owner Vision Through Employee Ownership& EtA | Michael Morosi 05.02.2026 51:19
What if the most powerful way to create employee owners wasn't one company at a time - but through strategic acquisitions? Michael Morosi is proving that existing employee-owned companies can become acquisition engines that transform entire industries. As Co-Founder of 40 Million Owners and Managing Partner at Southeast Acquisition Capital, he's pioneered a model where ESOPs use M&A to grow, c...
Alternative Exit #57 | Closing the $10 Trillion Wealth Gap with Employee Ownership with Noelle Lentz 29.01.2026 32:43
Episode Summary: What if the solution to America's wealth inequality crisis was hiding in plain sight? Noelle Lentz is mobilising millions in capital specifically designed for employee ownership transitions. As CEO of Allivate Impact Capital, she's launched one of only two ESOP-focused funds in the US, providing the subordinated debt that makes employee ownership financially viable for selling own...
Alternative Exit #56 | The Intersection of ETA and Employee Ownership w Geoffrey Easterling 13.01.2026 31:38
Keywords Employee Ownership, ETA, ESOP, Acquisition, Leadership, Business Strategy, Employee Engagement, Company Culture, Value Creation, Business Transition Summary In this episode of the Alternative Exit, host Andy Farquharson interviews Jeff Easterling, CEO of ART and Associates, who shares his unique perspective on employee ownership through the lens of entrepreneurship through acquisition (ET...
Alternative Exit #53 | Live from the EOA, Employee ownership, inequality, and Denmark’s quiet revolution 13.01.2026 22:53
In this live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy sits down withIn this live episode from the Employee Ownership Association Conference in Telford, with Andreas Jørgensen, one of the architects behind Denmark’s renewed push for democratic ownership. Andreas shares how a cold winter classroom at Yale, a pregnant French professor, and exposure to extreme inequality in the US set him on a...
Alternative Exit #52 | Live from the EOA, Measuring What Matters - Jonathan Winchester on Customer and Employee Experience 23.12.2025 23:01
Episode: Measuring What Matters - Jonathan Winchester on Customer and Employee Experience In this live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy sits down with Jonathan Winchester, CEO of Insight6, a customer experience specialist who keynoted at last year's conference with a memorable twist: he mystery shopped the audience. Key Takeaways: Jonathan brings a unique outside perspective to emp...
Alternative Exit #51 | Live from the EOA, The Power of People - Andrew Lane on Building Real Employee Ownership at Union Industries 18.12.2025 19:41
Episode: The Power of People - Andrew Lane on Building Real Employee Ownership at Union Industries In this high-energy live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy sits down with Andrew Lane, Managing Director of Union Industries, a Yorkshire-based manufacturer of high-speed industrial doors. If you've bought food from a supermarket, it's been through one of their doors somewhere in its l...
Alternative Exit #50 | Live from the EOA, Exploring Insights with Dr Shelley Poole from WellingtonHR 16.12.2025 26:31
Episode: Building Ownership Culture from Day One - Shelley Poole on HR in Employee-Owned Businesses In this live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy talks with Shelley Poole, founder of Wellington HR, who started her business in 2019 with the intention from day one to grow it into an employee-owned business. She also conducted doctoral research on employee voice in EO organizations, m...
Alternative Exit # 49 | Live from the EOA, Unlocking Capital - Chris Walton from Shawbrook on Finance for Employee Ownership 11.12.2025 22:40
In this live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy explores the critical but often overlooked piece of the employee ownership puzzle: access to capital. Chris Walton from Shawbrook, a specialist SME lender, explains why the UK's EO ecosystem has historically been underserved by finance and how that's changing. Key Takeaways: While the tax-free incentive has driven amazing growth in UK e...
Alternative Exit #48 | Live from the EOA, Legacy Over Money - Catherine Cameron on Employee Ownership 09.12.2025 21:27
In this live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy sits down with Catherine Cameron, founder of Agulhas (nobody can spell it, nobody can say it), a research and consulting firm specialising in climate change and conflict/fragility for international development. Five years into their employee ownership journey, Catherine shares why they chose legacy over a lucrative trade sale. Key Takea...
Alternative Exit #47 | Live from the EOA, Direct Ownership Done Wright - Michael Hodgson from GLIDE 05.12.2025 35:56
In this live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy sits down with Michael Hodgson, elected chair of Glide, an employee-owned membership organization that holds shares across three manufacturing businesses: Gripple (wire joiners, £130M turnover), LoadHog (returnable transit packaging, £45M turnover), and GoTools (tooling manufacturer). Key Takeaways: Glide operates a direct ownership mod...
Alternative Exit # 46 | Live from the EOA, The Middle of the Journey - Liam Toms on Grapevine's EO Evolution 02.12.2025 27:41
Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by EOT Expert by Christian Wilson – providing technical expertise and compliance support for EOT transitions and ongoing governance. Learn more at eotexpert.co.uk In this live episode from the EOA Conference in Telford, Andy talks with Liam Toms, Communications and Engagement Manager at Grapevine, a managed service provider for IT and telecom services. Nearl...
Alternative Exit #45 | Transformative Impact: Exploring Employee Ownership with Campbell Mcdonald 28.11.2025 1:04:29
What does it really take to make employee ownership work? In this episode, I talk with Campbell McDonald, one of the UK’s leading experts on employee ownership and managing director of the Eternal Business Consultancy. With 14 years in the EO space—from his early days at the John Lewis Partnership to leading the landmark 2023 EO Knowledge Programme—Campbell brings unmatched insight into what truly...
Alternative Exit #44 | Tiara Letourneau on Innovative Finance and Employee Ownership 21.11.2025 58:44
What does it take to build an entirely new employee ownership ecosystem from the ground up? In this episode, I sit down with Tiara Letourneau, co-founder and CEO of Rewrite Capital and board chair of Employee Ownership Canada, to explore how she's architecting Canada's emerging EOT market. With a Master's in Finance from Cambridge and a background in climate finance and impact investing, Tiara bri...
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